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Author Topic:   Questions based on a plain and simple reading of the US Constitution
NoNukes
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Message 31 of 169 (800097)
02-19-2017 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by marc9000
02-19-2017 2:00 PM


Most would agree that non-U.S. citizens should not be allowed to vote in U.S. elections, and most would also agree that even an illegal immigrant should not be subject to cruel and unusual punishment within the U.S.
I note that you consider folks who disagree with you to be revisionists. I'm going to provide information that such is not the case. You can still question whether giving non-citizens any rights is a good or bad idea or should be overturned. But you cannot blame your lack of knowledge about the law on liberals as you are currently doing.
The question of whether non-citizens have rights under the 14th Amendment is a question that was settled by the Supreme Court in 1886, a scant 18 years after the 14th amendment was ratified. See Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886)
quote:
Though the law itself be fair on its face, and impartial in appearance, yet, if it is applied and administered by public authority with an evil eye and unequal hand, so as practically to make unjust and illegal discriminations between persons of similar circumstances, material to their rights, the denial of equal justice is still within the prohibition of the Constitution [the 14th Amendment].
More recently, the Supreme Court ruled in 2001:
quote:
Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."
Those 14th amendment rights do not include the right to vote. They do include the right to due process and most likely all of the rights in the bill of rights including the 2nd amendment thanks to some rulings after Heller v DC.
Now the question of whether that applies to folks who are nowhere near the US and have no intention of coming here is one you have asked about, but it is not a question anyone here has opined on. In particular, the limited constitutional rights granted in the 14th amendment would apply to folks who hold green cards, and maybe even to folks who have been issued visas, at least for those who are returning to the US after a visit following a first lawful entry.
The fourteenth amendment says that these rights apply to all persons and not just to citizens. You can opine on what persons mean if you want, but the federal courts have already given the official answer.
So, instead of lying about what folks are saying, you can do some homework. Or you can continue with Faith down the same rat hole she continued down in a previous thread. Or come up with some reasonable argument why things ought to be different. Or keep blaming liberals. Your call.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 35 of 169 (800232)
02-21-2017 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by jar
02-21-2017 7:50 AM


Re: Do the protections of the IV and V Amendments even apply outside the US?
If they decide that the area was under US Control then the suit against the agent and likely the US Border Patrol will proceed.
The case almost certainly won't proceed regardless of how the Court rules. There is a nuance regarding this point.
From the article:
quote:
The full 15-member appeals court then took up the case and decided that because the law was not clear, the border agent could not be held liable for violating it.
If the Supreme Court agrees with this, it would mean that despite the fact that the Constitution does apply to non-citizens near the border, Officer Mesa will not be held liable. He will be granted immunity because the state of the law on this issue was not clear.
On the other hand, the law would be considered clear for the next defendant in similar circumstances.
There is no doubt that the idea of Officer Mesa being held responsible is very unpopular among a large segment of the folks here. Foreigners die at the hands of border control agents in circumstances that are sometimes questionable. Few if any agents are ever held responsible.
Link to reports of shootings involving border agents. You'll see pretty much the same mix of circumstances that confront law enforcement in other situations. Some good shootings and some that are likely bad.
Killed by Border Patrol - Southern Border Communities Coalition
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 38 of 169 (800236)
02-21-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
02-21-2017 9:31 AM


Re: Do the protections of the IV and V Amendments even apply outside the US?
A secondary issue revolves around what justifies extreme responses. Is shooting justifiable when the person is 60 yards away and may throw rocks? Remember in this case the supposed justification was a report of kids throwing rocks.
None of this stuff is at issue in the current appeal. If Officer Mesa is granted immunity because the constitutional issues were not clear, then those questions will be left until next time. Absent the constitutional issues, the case is very similar to many domestic use of force cases.
Border security agents have been pardoned after convictions for committing attempted murder at the border. Prosecutions of these folks are extremely unpopular.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 41 of 169 (800254)
02-21-2017 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by herebedragons
02-21-2017 12:06 PM


Re: Do the protections of the IV and V Amendments even apply outside the US?
If protection extends say 100 feet beyond our border, then all persons within that area are under its protection. We, however, have no jurisdiction to enforce our laws within another sovereign nation.
I think your statement is nowhere near the issue. The Constitutional protections we are discussing here are about limitation on what our government can do to people and not about using force to tell Mexico what to do with their own citizens. The question is about enforcing our own laws in our own courts. At this point the US has refused to enforce any law and refused to grant Mexico jurisdiction. Surely both of those things are within the ability of the US.
Further it seems the height of hypocrisy to claim no jurisdiction to enforce our laws as cover for having law enforcement kill someone.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 53 of 169 (800657)
02-26-2017 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
02-26-2017 4:29 PM


Re: Immigrants make America better
Jar writes:
Of course they can and in fact they do. A great example is the mother of two, married and living in the US for over 20 years, who held a job, raised a family, paid taxes, educated her children and followed the law who got arrested and then deported when she obeyed the law.
Faith writes:
Sorry, there are definitely illegal immigrants who do NOT make America better. All the Hispanic gangs for instance.
Your statement is not a rebuttal. Plenty of folks whose status is illegal do in fact contribute to society. The fact that their status is illegal is really not a huge consequence. For example, Trump has indicated that if left to his own device he would not kick DARE folks out of the country.
And of COURSE illegality contributes to the erosion of the law, meaning of course the rule of law, in the minds of both American citizens and illegals, how could it not?
Some things are illegal because they are evil in and of themselves, while other things are evil only because we have chosen to disallow them. Given the history of immigration into this country, it is impossible to argue that illegal immigration fits into the category of things illegal because they constitute evil without judging our forefathers. Personally, I cannot judge harshly a man or woman who commits an illegal but non evil act for the purpose of giving his family a better life, or avoiding persecution, or seeking religious freedom, particularly when he causes no harm once he is here.
LEGAL immigrants ARE offended by the lawless attitude that allows the illegals to stay.
Some are and some are not. In general, I think you will find that many and likely most immigrants are not all that enamored of the treatment their less fortunate brothers are getting.
ike all those who did that to Trump when he talked about the illegal rapists
"And some, And some, I assume, are good people".
Why is it that some folks do not find this clarification by Trump to be damning? I remember thinking back in the early 2000's that it was the neo-cons who were the bottom tier among wing-nuts. How naive I was!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 56 of 169 (800660)
02-26-2017 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by marc9000
02-25-2017 11:24 PM


"Just as much"? Many conservative constitutional scholars consider all the amendments from number 11 on to be not quite as much as the first 10. Those, distorted by activist courts in later years, are how revisionist history gets written.
Someone who ignores amendments to the constitution is not much of a scholar. But in particular, a scholar inclined to discount amendments 13-15 is likely a racist as well. In the case of the amendment under discussion, as has been demonstrated, the extension to non-citizens was first upheld by the Supreme Court in 1886 and again several more times during the 19th century.
Your observation that the amendments to the constitution "revise" its meaning is true, but such observations do not constitute any kind of argument whatsoever about the current state of the law. They just tell us that you no longer like the constitution. That's why folks rightly ask, "Why do wingnuts hate America"?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 68 of 169 (800690)
02-26-2017 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Theodoric
02-26-2017 8:34 PM


That the first 10 are ok but rest are not is just ridiculous and actually a treasonous assertion.
At least that is more honest that pretending that the rest of the constitution does not exist. Yet even if we spot marc9000 the amendments after the 11th, here is some text from the fifth amendment:
quote:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime ... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Again, no person... Not just citizens.
Historically, the reason similar language exists in the 14th amendment is because the Supreme Court held in the "Dred Scott" case that the then current bill of rights excluded "darkies" from having any rights that a white man was bound to respect regardless of their place of birth or their status as slaves or free men.
Of course now, with all of the PC crap that's gone on in the last 150 years we even let women and Hispanics vote. We even let those Japanese Americans out of the internment camps.
Okay, sarcasm aside, I am not the least bit surprised that folks don't accept that folks not legally within the US have rights.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 91 of 169 (800776)
02-27-2017 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by marc9000
02-27-2017 9:14 PM


This is a pretty good example of how the original meaning and intent of the framers deteriorates over time. Originally, in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, there were no declared Constitutional rights for illegal immigrants. Then with the end of slavery, the 14th amendment was written to allow Africans who were brought here against their will to have a new start
Again, the meaning of the 14th Amendment and its application to folks who are non-citizens was clarified in court decisions from 1886 regarding Chinese immigrants and in at least two more decisions during the late 19th century. Nothing modern and certainly not a function of distortion by liberals.
It is certainly the case that the original meaning of the constitution was substantially amended by the ratification of the 13-15th and 19th amendment. After all, the founding fathers never intended to treat blacks and women equally under the law. Let's recall that the treatment of blacks as secondary citizens was actually written into the constitution. But let's also recall that for huge portions of our history, there really was no such thing as illegal immigration. If you got here as a free person, and were not a black or Native American, you were entitled to at least 5th amendment rights. The exclusion of folks via immigration law is something we got serious about a bit after the civil war. (In fact, around the time of that Yick Wo v. Hopkins I have cited several times) All of which ought to put your attempt at history into some perspective.
I know you don't like that result, but that is the law. What is modern is the attempt by wingnuts do define illegal immigrants as illegal persons without rights. That wishful thinking has never been the law.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 96 of 169 (800781)
02-28-2017 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by marc9000
02-27-2017 10:13 PM


Re: there are no "illegal" people
That's right, because I don't agree that an undocumented immigrant is only guilty of a misdemeanor.
There is not a matter of opinion about such a statement. The question you are "disagreeing" on is a matter of law. The law is that repeated attempts to reenter the country after being deported can be charged as felony, but otherwise, entering the country illegally is, under US code a misdemeanor.
Overstaying a visa, which is how the vast majority of illegal immigrants get here is a civil offense, which is not a criminal offense and thus does not even constitute a misdemeanor. In short, simply being here illegally is not a crime at all.
Your arguments in this thread are passionate but they are not based on the law. They instead reflect what you would like the law to be.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 98 of 169 (800793)
02-28-2017 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by jar
02-28-2017 6:35 AM


Re: Very Importnat point.
If deportation should cause damage greater than $20.00 can a civil trial by jury be demanded?
Unfortunately for plain readers, the case law on this particular provision is so riddled with exceptions established by the courts as to make it useless. You cannot request a jury trial in a deportation case primarily because this amendment has been held to apply to civil trials for money damages for matters that were tried in civil courts back at the founding of the country. Regardless of the fact that sums of money may be at risk, deportation cases are primarily about equity rather than money damages.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 111 of 169 (801823)
03-09-2017 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Theodoric
03-09-2017 6:54 PM


Re: Roman Empire
You also do not have a very good grasp on the history of the Roman Empire. What you state is not true.
And you, sir, are a fun ruiner!!. I was rather enjoying the back and forth between LNA and marc9000 regarding the history of the Roman Empire. And then you come along insisting on facts...
Historians argue endlessly over the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire. But these two &^@#$! think they know better than everyone else. It might have been fun to see what they came up with.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 124 of 169 (801837)
03-09-2017 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by marc9000
03-09-2017 8:02 PM


Re: Roman Empire
Yet so far he has presented none.
Maybe not, but on the other hand, he is not the poster pretending to teach us history lessons based on a subject he knows nothing about. So far that appears to be the plan you and LNA are following.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 126 of 169 (801844)
03-10-2017 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by LamarkNewAge
03-09-2017 11:44 PM


Re: NoNukes knows what he chooses and ignores the rest
WHat was the adhesive NoNukes has to deny that this was in effect the insurmountable PROBLEM
Take your time and ask me a question that makes some sense. I'd prefer that the question actually relate to the topic at hand.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 129 of 169 (801990)
03-10-2017 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by marc9000
03-10-2017 8:18 PM


Re: Roman Empire
What makes it appear that way? What evidence do you have that he knows more
You are not reading what I wrote. I don't have any comment on what Theodoric wrote, because he is primarily asking you to back up what you are saying. My statement is directed towards you and LNA and the claims you are making. I still wish he had let the two of you pile up a bunch of crap before weighing in, because I was enjoying the entertainment value.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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NoNukes
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Message 131 of 169 (801993)
03-10-2017 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by marc9000
03-10-2017 10:00 PM


Re: Roman Empire
You said he IS NOT the poster pretending to teach us history lessons based on a subject he knows nothing about, yet he has shown no detailed knowledge of the subject whatsoever.
You are that poster. How much more clearly must I say that?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

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