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marc9000
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Message 106 of 169 (801718)
03-09-2017 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Theodoric
03-08-2017 11:42 PM


Re: there are no "illegal" people
I'd be terrified to see how today's liberal atheists have re-written history to blame todays conservatives on the deterioration of morals, ethics and values that led to the fall of the Roman Empire. Razd's earlier reference to their pollution gave me a hint, they didn't have an EPA!!!! That's what it was!!!
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Message 107 of 169 (801720)
03-09-2017 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by marc9000
03-09-2017 10:24 AM


The EPA is a Conservative Republican creation marc
marc, you do know that the EPA is a Conservative Republican creation don't you?

But then again, the EPA has absolutely nothing to do with the simple reading of the US Constitution.


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Theodoric
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Message 108 of 169 (801725)
03-09-2017 10:57 AM
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03-09-2017 10:24 AM


Re: there are no "illegal" people
There you go referencing the Roman Empire again, but not actually making an argument. Just saying Roman Empire doesn't make an argument. Please show how liberals today somehow equate with the end of the Roman Empire.

Hint
The Roman Empire did not have some sort of precipitous collapse.
But I am very interested in your fevered imaginations about what happened to the Roman Empire.
If you are interested I can point you to some resources to learn about the Roman Empire. Basic stuff you should be able to understand.
First step.
Do some research about the person my screen name is based on. That alone should give you the information to rethink your idea that there was some sort of a fall of the Roman Empire because of

marckymarc writes:

the deterioration of morals, ethics and values

ABE
Look up lead poisoning in Rome while your at it.

Edited by Theodoric, : Added stuff


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 109 of 169 (801743)
03-09-2017 11:55 AM
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03-09-2017 10:24 AM


Roman Empire
quote:

I'd be terrified to see how today's liberal atheists have re-written history to blame todays conservatives on the deterioration of morals, ethics and values that led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

The Roman Empire fell due to extreme intolerance.

Less than 100 years after Orthodox Christianity was imposed.

They ran people out faster than they could kill everybody.


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Theodoric
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Message 110 of 169 (801822)
03-09-2017 6:54 PM
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03-09-2017 11:55 AM


Re: Roman Empire
You also do not have a very good grasp on the history of the Roman Empire. What you state is not true.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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NoNukes
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Message 111 of 169 (801823)
03-09-2017 7:24 PM
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03-09-2017 6:54 PM


Re: Roman Empire
You also do not have a very good grasp on the history of the Roman Empire. What you state is not true.

And you, sir, are a fun ruiner!!. I was rather enjoying the back and forth between LNA and marc9000 regarding the history of the Roman Empire. And then you come along insisting on facts...

Historians argue endlessly over the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire. But these two &^@#$! think they know better than everyone else. It might have been fun to see what they came up with.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 112 of 169 (801824)
03-09-2017 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Theodoric
03-09-2017 6:54 PM


Re: Roman Empire
Stephen Schwarz summarizing Gibbon:

The decline of Rome
Was natural and inevitable.
Instead of inquiring why Rome was destroyed,
We should rather be surprised
That Rome remained so strong
So long.

[Hint to the fools like marc9000: It wasn't because of homosexuality.]

Edited by Rrhain, : Dropped my "not," again.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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marc9000
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Message 113 of 169 (801825)
03-09-2017 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by jar
03-09-2017 10:35 AM


Re: The EPA is a Conservative Republican creation marc
marc, you do know that the EPA is a Conservative Republican creation don't you?

No, I didn't know that. I could have sworn that Democrats controlled the House and Senate during the late 60's and early 70's. I also could have sworn that the National Environmental Policy Act was introduced in the senate by senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson, a Democrat, in 1969. It was that act that led to the creation of the EPA.

http://www.historylink.org/File/9908

The EPA's creation happened as a result of a bi-partisan realization in the late 60's that something needed to be done about pollution. At that time, it was neither "conservative Republican", or liberal Democrat in nature. It took about 8 to 10 years for it to become a power grabbing tool for liberal Democrats. And it's stayed that way up to today.

quote:
In the late 1960s, the United States faced real problems regarding the quality of its air and water, waste disposal, and contamination from mining and agriculture.

and

quote:
Many scientists, myself included, lobbied the federal government to form a cabinet-level agency to address these problems. [1] In 1971, EPA was born. During the agency’s first 10 years, Congress passed seven legislative acts to protect the environment, including the Water Pollution Control Act (later renamed the Clean Water Act), Safe Drinking Water Act, Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, and the Clean Air Act.

At first, these laws worked well, protecting the environment and the health of our citizens. Problems were identified, measured, exposed, and major investments were made to reduce dangerous emissions and protect the public from exposure to them. EPA and other government agencies regularly report the subsequent dramatic reduction in all the pollutants we originally targeted. By the 1980s, nothing more needed to be done beyond monitoring our continuing success in cleaning up the environment. It was time to declare victory and go home.

Beginning around 1981, however, radical Leftists realized they could advance their political agenda by taking over the environmental movement and use it to advocate for ever-more draconian regulations on businesses. Environmentalists allowed this take-over to occur because it brought massive funding from liberal foundations, political power, and prestige.


http://www.breitbart.com/.../23/jay-h-lehr-beginning-end-epa

and, from another link;

quote:
President Richard Nixon was initially reluctant to create a federal agency that set, monitored and enforced environmental laws. In 1969, he formed an environmental council and advisory committee, but met with public charges that the organizations had no effectual function. But by January 1, 1970, Nixon signed the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), which promised to institute a federal role in environmental protection. Nixon recognized that such federal legislation needed the attention of an exclusive agency. By the summer of 1970, he submitted Reorganization Plan Number Three to Congress, which called for a single entity to govern the United States' environmental policy [EPA].

http://people.howstuffworks.com/epa1.htm

The confusion that was created with Jackson's NEPA, combined with the hodgepodge of local regulations that were popping up all over the U.S. to address the problem, prompted the EPA to be created during a Republican administration.

So I have 2 questions for you; 1) Did you make the above statement;

the EPA is a Conservative Republican creation

only because it was signed into law by a Republican president? Or do you have other reasons, maybe from revisionist websites, that you could link me to?

And question #2) As a "conservative Republican creation", do you believe it was in opposition to liberal Democrat positions? Either in the early days of its creation, or in its entire life, up to and including today?


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marc9000
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Message 114 of 169 (801826)
03-09-2017 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Theodoric
03-09-2017 10:57 AM


Re: there are no "illegal" people
The Roman Empire did not have some sort of precipitous collapse.

So there were no barbarian invasions of Rome in 410 and 476? Romulus Augustulus was NOT deposed in 476?

But I am very interested in your fevered imaginations about what happened to the Roman Empire.

I'm only very slightly interested in yours, but let's have them.

Do some research about the person my screen name is based on.

Your screen name does not inspire me to look upon you with an elevated measure of awe concerning your knowledge of any subject, including this one. I tend to go more by what you actually say, and how it measures up to actual history.


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marc9000
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Message 115 of 169 (801827)
03-09-2017 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by NoNukes
03-09-2017 7:24 PM


Re: Roman Empire
And you, sir, are a fun ruiner!!. I was rather enjoying the back and forth between LNA and marc9000 regarding the history of the Roman Empire. And then you come along insisting on facts...

Yet so far he has presented none. And you're very impressed! Must be that screen name....


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jar
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Message 116 of 169 (801828)
03-09-2017 8:07 PM
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03-09-2017 7:46 PM


Re: The EPA is a Conservative Republican creation marc
And you and Trump and the current crop of fascists want to return to raping and pillaging the environment.

And in case you failed to notice it the Obamacare was passed by Congress just as the enabling acts for the EPA were passed by Congress under Rio9chard Nixon.

Sorry Charley but there is no evidence the EPA has ever become a power grabbing tool for liberal Democrats but lots of evidence that the environment in the US (as well as worker safety and general environmental concerns) were beginng to show improvements.

Now the current crop of Republican Fascists are busy trying to take us back to pre-WWI status.

And it still has nothing to do with the topic.


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marc9000
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Message 117 of 169 (801829)
03-09-2017 8:10 PM
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03-09-2017 8:07 PM


Re: The EPA is a Conservative Republican creation marc
And it still has nothing to do with the topic.

Thank you, that's as good a reason as any for being afraid to answer either of my questions.


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Theodoric
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Message 118 of 169 (801831)
03-09-2017 9:03 PM
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03-09-2017 8:00 PM


Re: there are no "illegal" people
Romulus Augustulus was NOT deposed in 476?

Please show where I said such a thing.
These events were toward the end of a long slow process. The empire a this time was a shadow of its former self. Your comments do not at all show that there was a precipitous collapse, if there was show what it was. The empire in a sense actually survived all of this turmoil.

Do you even know who Theodoric the Great is? Have you heard of the Eastern Empire? Do you know anything about Romulus Augustulus other than it is a name you read? Tell me all about the wonderful empire he was emperor of in 476.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 119 of 169 (801832)
03-09-2017 9:27 PM
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03-09-2017 8:10 PM


Re: The EPA is a Conservative Republican creation marc
marc writes:

And question #2) As a "conservative Republican creation", do you believe it was in opposition to liberal Democrat positions? Either in the early days of its creation, or in its entire life, up to and including today?

Well I did answer one and I have no problem answering two either.

Today's Conservatives would not make a pipmple on a real conservatives ass. Today what we see in the Republican Party (and I am speaking as a long term Republican) are simply ignorant fascists.

And no, the EPA has never been either in opposition or support of any political party up until now. It is only now under the current Republican fascists that it is being co-opted to serve a political as opposed to an environmental purpose.


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marc9000
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Message 120 of 169 (801833)
03-09-2017 9:39 PM
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03-09-2017 9:03 PM


Re: there are no "illegal" people
marc9000 writes:

Romulus Augustulus was NOT deposed in 476?

Please show where I said such a thing.

You didn't, but after some of the hilarious things you said about U.S. foundings, I didn't know what to expect.

These events were toward the end of a long slow process. The empire a this time was a shadow of its former self.

Many believe that a comparable long, slow process is happening now in the U.S. Many believe that comparable, barbaric invasions could happen in the U.S. if liberals have their way with wide open borders. Many believe that the U.S. could become a shadow of its former self, if it continues taking for granted its existence, like many Romans did 2000 years ago.

Your comments do not at all show that there was a precipitous collapse, if there was show what it was.

Please show where I said there was a precipitous collapse.

Do you even know who Theodoric the Great is?

I know that you aint him.

Have you heard of the Eastern Empire? Do you know anything about Romulus Augustulus other than it is a name you read? Tell me all about the wonderful empire he was emperor of in 476.

I believe the U.S. is in decline. And I think the laziness and carelessness that's causing it could be very comparable to the Roman Empire becoming a shadow of its former self. With today's communications, travel, technology, being so far ahead of what it was 2000 years ago, the U.S. could end up being a shadow of its former self much quicker than the long slow process that it took for the Roman Empire. That's the reason this subject came up, its not surprising that you're now trying to take it down detailed rabbit trails that derail the thread.


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