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Message 1 of 960 (801198)
03-04-2017 4:32 AM


There is certainly an ideological right-left divide, but there is no comparison between their methods. Even ideologically it's hard to get a fair assessment of the right by the left. The political quizzes that have been put up recently show the bias.
  • I can't honestly answer a question about whether my race has superior qualities or not, maybe it does or doesn't but I don't think in those terms though the Left seems to think it's a rightwing preoccupation.

  • Another quiz asks whether military action against terrorism works or causes it to increase. Since the idea that it increases the terrorism is a Leftist theory that is as ignorant as you can get of the causes of terrorism under Islam, I'm certainly not going to check off the second answer even though I'm also against military action as a solution.

  • Another question is whether military strength vs diplomacy are the way to deal with threats, and I can't possibly separate the two. If you don't have military strength to back it up, diplomacy is useless, even if I'd say displomacy is always the method of choice. And if you attempt diplomacy with Islamic agents you have to know that their ideology tells them it is good to lie in the service of Allah so it would be idiotic not to back it up with the threat of force. The Left doesn't want to believe this of course.

  • Then there's the question whether I think "newcomers" are good for the country or bad for the country. Oh the sneaky weasels. NOBODY objects to LEGAL DESIRABLE IMMIGRANTS TO THE COUNTRY. The immigration flaps going on are all about ILLEGAL aliens and candidates for immigration who could be a serious threat to national security. The Left absolutely cannot think.

I just heard a great talk by David Horowitz in which he characterized an argument between a leftist and a conservative as Godzilla against Bambi, because of the Left's powerful arsenal of accusations against the Right, the accusations of racism and all the rest of the PC baggage, while the right is always on the defensive and has nothing comparable to answer with.

He also described the Leftist strategy as a version of Christianity, which I thought very interesting. There's nothing genuinely Christian about it, but Marx himself had experience of Liberal Christianity and made use of some of it in his ridiculous economic and social theories too. The concept of "Social Justice," which has recently been incorporated into some versions of Liberal Christianity, is a Marxist idea that was invented by a Jesuit. All these "Christian" concepts are really anti-Chrsitian. If Antichrist is coming soon, his religion will no doubt be a blend of Liberal Protestantism and Romanism. Mix it up with Islam and Leftist atheism and he'll have quite the gigantic totalitarian brew to rule the world with.

The religious element of the Left is in those tones of moral indignation in just about every post by a Leftist here, that tire a person out. Anything a conservative says can be subjected to moral excoriation, the righteous fury, the sense of absolute rightness of their cause. You don't have to read far to find that huffing-puffing indignation in just about any post in answer to me. They define all opposition or contrary thinking as a tool of the devil according to their system, the devil in their scheme just being whatever they think is wrong.

It's a perversion of the spirit of Christ but never mind that, the comparison as Horowitz intends it is quite apt and accounts for the characteristic moral haughtiness of the Left. In reality it's the invention of Satan himself designed to destroy all opposition (no, Horowitz didn't say that) and because it has moral indignation as its power it's very effective. They would destroy all genuine goodness out of their self-righteous zeal for their own ersatz "goodness."

Horowitz's description of this, without my elaboration of course, is in the first ten minutes of the talk, plus the truth about Sessions, who is a recent victim of the pious Leftist plots against a blameless man:

the video is on this page *

Fake news is one of the strategies of the Left, Marxism-inspired "protests" are another. This is far from normal political disagreement, this is all-out war of one ideology against another and it's totally against American Constitutional principles.

Here's another example of the warfare: a Frontpage story on Soros' strategy against town hall meetings:

A radical group linked to rogue billionaire George Soros has been providing scripts containing anti-Trump talking points for constituents to read aloud during congressional town hall meetings.

One of the scripts distributed by the Revolutionary Love Project encourages town hall participants meeting with their member of Congress to accuse the Trump administration of – wait for it – “xenophobia, racism, and Islamophobia.” Constituents are urged to use those precise words to “forcefully condemn” President Trump’s immigration and border security initiatives, Aaron Klein reports at Breitbart News.

Information about the scripts came as leaked audio from anti-Trump activists associated with the group Indivisible surfaced. Their target was a town hall hosted by Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.). They planned to deploy an “inside team” to occupy as many seats as possible and an “outside team” to “give [the media] the coverage they want.” Activists were urged to “dress like conservatives” and avoid “any signifier that you’re a liberal” so they could dominate the meeting.

Phat recently asked why the Left is bad and the Right good. Well, without saying the Right is good, which no group of people can be, the Left is clearly bad because it uses underhanded totalitarian tactics against its opponents, and its goal is power; it has no respect for democracy or freedom of speech except their own, and they consider themselves morally superior to the point that they allow no right for the other side even to exist.

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* Decided to include the entire Horowitz talk, which I just now finished listening to. Few here will want to hear it all the way through, I suppose but it's here if anyone does. He covers all the important points, spells out Political Correctness, the whole mentality of the Left. I'd love to think he could change some minds here of course, but that's rather too optimistic.

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Message 2 of 960 (801200)
03-04-2017 4:46 AM
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03-04-2017 4:32 AM


When you describe all press criticism of the government as a "totalitarian" tactic, you lose any pretence of offering a serious critique. You are not an opponent of totalitarianism of the left. You are an advocate for totalitarianism of the right.
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Message 3 of 960 (801201)
03-04-2017 4:52 AM
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03-04-2017 4:46 AM


There are no Rightist violent protests, there are no Rightist plots to shut up opponents, There is nothing totalitarian at all about today's right. We oppose globalism, which is a totalitarianism. Fake news is not mere criticism of the government and its nuts to think so, it's a tool to destroy all opposition, as are all the other tools I've mentioned. Destruction, annihilation, character assassination, perhaps even physical assassination since people keep advocating it, these are the tools of the Left and fake news is right in line with them. This isn't criticism, this is totalitarian war.
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Message 4 of 960 (801203)
03-04-2017 5:04 AM
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03-04-2017 4:52 AM


The whole "fake news" is a gambit intended to shut up opponents. There are rightist assassinations and bombings. A Labour MP was assassinated only last year. And, of course, Trump supporters are implicated in the violence at Trump,rallies with Trump himself providing encouragement.
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Message 5 of 960 (801204)
03-04-2017 5:19 AM
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03-04-2017 5:04 AM


The whole "fake news" is a gambit intended to shut up opponents.

No, it's not. It's a DEFENSIVE move against the fake news plots on the Left that threaten to shut down all conservative internet sources. The right didn't invent the concept of fake news, it's a Marxist invention designed to shut up opposition, which has characterized every Communist regime that has ever existed. We want to stop the lies, we're not threatening to shut down the media altogether. If they don't stop lying we'll keep calling them out on it and get our information elsewhere, but we don't threaten to shut them up.

There are rightist assassinations and bombings. A Labour MP was assassinated only last year.

Of course there are rightist assassinations, but there is nothing going on from the right like the social media calls for Trump's assassination which are ongoing, and all the violent "protests" are on the Left.

And, of course, Trump supporters are implicated in the violence at Trump,rallies with Trump himself providing encouragement.

This is absolutely false. All the violence is provoked by Leftist infiltrators, just as it is at the Town Hall meetings. Trump supported defensive moves against it.

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Message 6 of 960 (801205)
03-04-2017 6:02 AM
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03-04-2017 5:19 AM


quote:

No, it's not. It's a DEFENSIVE move against the fake news plots on the Left that threaten to shut down all conservative internet sources.

Because obviously falsely labelling real news that reflects badly on Trump as "fake" is intended to do that.

quote:

Of course there are rightist assassinations, but there is nothing going on from the right like the social media calls for Trump's assassination which are ongoing, and all the violent "protests" are on the Left.

Because joking remarks on Twitter are so much more serious than actual assassinations.

quote:

This is absolutely false. All the violence is provoked by Leftist infiltrators, just as it is at the Town Hall meetings. Trump supported defensive moves against it.

Because punching protesters upon the face is such a good way of keeping the peace.


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Message 7 of 960 (801208)
03-04-2017 7:15 AM


Aw, poor wittle Conservatives are being bullied
This thread is simply too funny. The nasty Leftist have even stooped so low as to publish actual facts. How can the poor wittle Conservatives possibly counter honesty, truth, facts and reality?

It just isn't fair David. You are right. It really is Reality versus Bambi and poor little Bambi has no chance.


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Message 8 of 960 (801213)
03-04-2017 8:58 AM


And, of course, fake news is OK If You're A Republican. As evinced by Faith's refusal to engage with the obvious fake news I posted from Hoft.
  
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Message 9 of 960 (801215)
03-04-2017 9:17 AM
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03-04-2017 4:32 AM


Summary: people who say things you don't like are basically Hitler.

Yeah, we got that, you don't need to devote a whole new thread to the subject.


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Message 10 of 960 (801216)
03-04-2017 9:38 AM
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DA writes:

Summary: people who say things you don't like are basically Hitler.

Unless they are Marxists or anti-Christians like the Pope or ...

AbE:

Two great quotes from Faith's OP:

quote:
I just heard a great talk by David Horowitz in which he characterized an argument between a leftist and a conservative as Godzilla against Bambi, because of the Left's powerful arsenal of accusations against the Right, the accusations of racism and all the rest of the PC baggage, while the right is always on the defensive and has nothing comparable to answer with.

Yup, the poor wittle Conservatives have nothing to answer with, no facts, no reason, no logic, no reality, nothing.

We got it Faith.

and then one for all time:

quote:
The concept of "Social Justice," which has recently been incorporated into some versions of Liberal Christianity, is a Marxist idea that was invented by a Jesuit. All these "Christian" concepts are really anti-Chrsitian.

Yup, we got it Faith. When Jesus said "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." he was spouting anti-Christian Marxist propaganda.

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Message 11 of 960 (801219)
03-04-2017 10:13 AM


I preferred it when you were talking bollox about geology and biology. At least your delusional ideas there were harmless.

This crazy inability to think critically, asses sources and facts and come to a conclusion based on them is frightening when you're able to vote. And now we know that there's millions just like you. It's terrifying.

I've never understood why fundamental Christians and right wing politics are a match. It's an absolute certainty that if you so-called Christians asked yourself honestly 'what would Jesus do?' The answer wouldn't be buy plenty of guns, send refugees home, turn-in you illegal neighbour, build a wall, pollute the rivers, marginalise gays and vote for narcisistic, woman assaulting sexist leaders.


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03-04-2017 10:39 AM
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...and vote for narcisistic, woman assaulting sexist leaders.

Why bring Bill Clinton into this?


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Message 13 of 960 (801222)
03-04-2017 10:57 AM
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Faith writes:

There are no Rightist violent protests, there are no Rightist plots to shut up opponents....


You have a short memory:
quote:
17. May 28, 2016 in San Diego, California. Trump supporters pepper-sprayed protesters outside a rally.

13. April 11, 2016, in Albany, New York. A protester at a rally was shoved in the face twice by a Trump supporter.

12. March 19, 2016, in Tucson, Arizona. A protester at a Trump rally was sucker-punched and kicked by a 32-year-old man who was then arrested on an assault charge.

11. March 19, 2016, in Tucson, Arizona. A Trump security official and Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski appeared to grab and pull a protester at the same Tucson rally.

10. March 9, 2016, in Fayetteville, North Carolina. A black protester being escorted out of a Trump rally was sucker-punched by a white bystander:

6. Dec. 14, 2015, in Las Vegas. Individuals at a Trump rally yelled "Sieg Heil" and "light the motherfucker on fire" toward a black protester who was being physically removed by security staffers.

4. Dec. 3, 2015, in New York City. A security guard took a sign from and struck an immigration activist during a protest after a Trump event.

3. Nov. 21, 2015, in Birmingham, Alabama. A black protester at a Trump rally was punched, kicked, and, according to the Washington Post, briefly choked.

Trump later defended the crowd's treatment of the protester, saying that "maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing."

2. Oct. 23, 2015, in Miami. A man at a Trump rally knocked down and kicked a Latino protester.

1. Oct. 14, 2015, in Richmond, Virginia. Individuals at a Trump rally shoved and took signs from a group of immigration activists. One spit in a protester's face

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Message 14 of 960 (801224)
03-04-2017 11:23 AM
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I've never understood why fundamental Christians and right wing politics are a match. ...

because it is all about authoritarianism first, beliefs second, personal self interests third.

quote:
The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter
And it’s not gender, age, income, race or religion.

If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?

You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.

Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.

Based on these questions, Trump was the only candidate—Republican or Democrat—whose support among authoritarians was statistically significant.


Authoritarian followers are raised to be subservient, and evangelical religious upraising is particularly stringent in this regard.

We've had the Are you an Authoritarian test here before (see the Are You an Authoritarian? thread) and one of my comments at the time was

Message 28: I believe he goes into this in greater detail later in the book, and generally uses a score of 90 and above to differentiate the {more authoritarian} from the {less authoritarian} so it is not used as a cut and dried scale.

Curiously I find that an extreme low score ... is also authoritarian in reactionary ways. ...

Where it gets fun is where he puts groups of students through an exercise with world governments and politics. He put all high scores in the same game, and they rapidly ended up in nuclear world wars that destroyed the earth, even after a "reset" to try again.

Meanwhile (when he puts) the groups of low scores together they resolved issues and formed world governments.

And then we look at the middle east crisis ... anyone want to guess on the scores for the participants there?

For some strange reason I am much happier with Obama on the red button than Bushie.

And a lot happier than Drumpf

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Message 15 of 960 (801226)
03-04-2017 12:10 PM
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RAZD writes:

because it is all about authoritarianism first, beliefs second, personal self interests third.

The authoritatian thing makes sense. Well, I can follow the logic at least - the outcome of course, doesn't make any kind of sense.

But I can't make the Christian thing work unless I chuck away the entire New Testament. (It's perfect match to the OT though. Perhaps these fake Christians just grit their teeth when they read JC talk about feeding the homeless, doing as you would be done by and eye of needle stuff.)


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