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New Cat's Eye
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Message 346 of 599 (802500)
03-17-2017 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by Percy
03-17-2017 7:24 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
This still misuses the word "totalitarian." By your definition, anything that is the law of the land is totalitarian.

Well, it is a bit hyperbolic, but I don't think that it's completely inapt. And its the approach, or the mentality, that I am calling totalitarian - not the laws.

It's like if we were coworkers and every time we had a minor disagreement about something you ran to the boss to get them to implement a decision so you could force me to comply with your way.

It's that approach of running to and using an authority to force your dissenters into compliance rather than working with them and coming to an agreement that I find distasteful.

I don't think calling that totalitarian is too far off - if we're not talking specifically about the form of government, itself.


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Message 347 of 599 (802510)
03-17-2017 10:22 AM
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03-05-2017 7:01 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
I still think if you can pass there shouldn't be a problem using the bathroom where you can fit in. So I disagree with the law that demands going where your birth sex wants you to go. Does that take care of this issue?

Not quite. Who decides who fits in? What if you have two X chromosomes, were born a woman, identify as a woman, but look kinda butch?

For example ... Woman Sues Restaurant That Ejected Her From Bathroom for Looking 'Like a Man'.


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Message 348 of 599 (802544)
03-17-2017 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by New Cat's Eye
03-17-2017 9:25 AM


Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
New Cat's Eye writes:

It's like if we were coworkers and every time we had a minor disagreement about something you ran to the boss to get them to implement a decision so you could force me to comply with your way.

You mean like trying to restrict women's access to abortion? You mean like issuing executive orders that discriminate against LGBT's? Shouldn't we be talking about the totalitarian right? No, of course not, "totalitarian" is the wrong word. Misguided, intolerant and authoritarian perhaps, but not totalitarian. Gee, ad hominem is so easy. We all could just sit in opposite corners and shout adjectives back and forth, instead of having a discussion. Or maybe we could just leave the name-calling out of the discussion?

Anytime you have to follow your use of a word with several "let me explain what I mean by that" paragraphs it's a strong hint that you're misusing the word.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Clarify first sentence.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 349 of 599 (802547)
03-17-2017 1:53 PM
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03-17-2017 1:28 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
You mean like trying to restrict women's access to abortion?

Or like restricting murderers access to homicide I kid, I kid.

Shouldn't we be talking about the totalitarian right?

Start a thread, I'll comment there too.

...misusing the word.

Pssh, don't give me that pedantic crap; words are defined by how they are used.

If I say a song is cool are you going to question me on how a song can have a temperature?


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Message 350 of 599 (802549)
03-17-2017 2:06 PM
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03-17-2017 1:53 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
NCE writes:

Pssh, don't give me that pedantic crap; words are defined by how they are used.

You are in good company here...

quote:
When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 351 of 599 (802556)
03-17-2017 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by New Cat's Eye
03-17-2017 1:53 PM


Re: Thread Misuses the Word "Totalitarian"
New Cat's Eye writes:

Shouldn't we be talking about the totalitarian right?

Start a thread, I'll comment there too.

But I wasn't arguing that the right is totalitarian. I was making an absurd argument to show how the word can be misused in either direction. I'm not on the left or right and I think the name-calling from both sides is ridiculous and beside any points being made.

...misusing the word.

Pssh, don't give me that pedantic crap; words are defined by how they are used.

So you're going to provide your own word definitions and require everyone else to use them too? How Faithish, totalitarian even.

If I say a song is cool are you going to question me on how a song can have a temperature?

That's common usage - it's in the dictionary.

Perhaps there's a misunderstanding on common word definitions at the root of the disagreement about the Obama guidelines adding anything to the interpretation of the law, but if you truly believe they added nothing then you can't use it as an example of your misdefinition of totalitarian.

--Percy


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Message 352 of 599 (802563)
03-17-2017 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by New Cat's Eye
03-17-2017 9:25 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
It's that approach of running to and using an authority to force your dissenters into compliance rather than working with them and coming to an agreement that I find distasteful.

Are you sure that people generally don't try to come an agreement in these cases? I mean legal action is a matter of public record. Private discussions less so. The guidelines were a useful tool to point to during those discussions. When agreement cannot be reached, then civil action takes place, in some instances (probably the minority of them). There are often months of exchanging letters, meetings and discussions before the legal action finds its way into a hearing or court. Court's and other such bodies are often reluctant to hear a case where such attempts have not been made.

The guidelines were useful. They provided a sense of security that the Federal government has their back. Revoking the guidelines indicates a certain attitude, and the comments justifying the revocation reinforce this impression: The Federal government doesn't have your back, even in principle, this should be an issue for the States.

It is not totalitarian to be upset about this development. It is not about having the Feds tell people what to think. It's about what the Federal government thinks, and the message that sends in both situations and the fear of what the future holds.

Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.


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Message 353 of 599 (802583)
03-18-2017 10:10 AM


Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
On the Gay Marriage thread I brought up the plan I'd been hearing about to use witchcraft against Trump, and of course the idea was ridiculed. Here's a report in The Huffington Post. I'm also moving it because it is clearly off topic on the other thread.

Witches Plan to Cast Mass Spell Against Donald Trump

The report says they'll be casting the spell once a month until he's removed from office, starting in February. I didn't hear about it soon enough to pray against it. Some 5000 on a Facebook page are pledged to cast the spell.

Whether you believe in the efficacy of witch spells or not, isn't there something just a tad anti-democratic about using any special tactics for a political purpose to defeat a President half the voting population elected? But that would include violent protests too. I guess we no longer honor the usual American democratic institutions, it's all-out war from the Left.


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Asgara
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Message 354 of 599 (802584)
03-18-2017 10:19 AM
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03-18-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Knowing several Wiccans, I can assure you that a witch's spell is nothing more or less than a prayer.

Whether you believe in the efficacy of witch spells or not, isn't there something just a tad anti-democratic about using any special tactics for a political purpose to defeat a President half the voting population elected?

So I assume that you also believe that it's a tad anti-democratic to use prayers for a President that over half the voting population voted against?


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Message 355 of 599 (802586)
03-18-2017 10:37 AM
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03-18-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Faith writes:

I guess we no longer honor the usual American democratic institutions, it's all-out war from the Left.

Sorry Faith but casting spells against a sitting President is a Constitutionally protected Right in the US just like praying for a President is a protected Constitutional Right; thank God.


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Message 356 of 599 (802587)
03-18-2017 10:38 AM
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03-18-2017 10:19 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
abe: Trump WON. He's the President. Who voted against him is now irrelevant according to American tradition. According to that tradition the outgoing President and his administration graciously leave the field to the incoming administration. This civilized practice has been violently discarded by the Left in every possible way since Trump won. /abe

We are told in the Bible to pray FOR our government leaders, not against them, no matter who they are. And that was written back in the time of some of the worst of the Caesars. I admit I found it hard to pray for Obama, but did manage it from time to time.

But there are levels and degrees of witchcraft. As the story says this is just to have him removed from office, not do harm to him, though it is admitted there are spells that can do harm as well.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 357 of 599 (802588)
03-18-2017 10:53 AM
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03-18-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Why did you not criticize imprecatory prayer against President Obama and Hillary Clinton?

The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

Edited by Theodoric, : No proof of support


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 358 of 599 (802590)
03-18-2017 10:55 AM
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03-18-2017 10:53 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
dup

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 359 of 599 (802591)
03-18-2017 10:56 AM
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03-18-2017 10:53 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Without evidence that is just another sleazy EvC accusation. Please produce the post where I said that.

I don't recall doing that. Years ago I heard some preaching in favor of imprecatory prayers but it was a short-lived episode and not something I practice. Again, we are told to pray FOR our leaders.

It is, however, good to pray against witchcraft and specific forms of evil.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 360 of 599 (802592)
03-18-2017 10:57 AM
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03-18-2017 10:56 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Faith writes:

It is, however, good to pray against witchcraft and specific forms of evil.

It is, however, good to cast spells against prayer and specific forms of evil.


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