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Faith
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Message 361 of 960 (802596)
03-18-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 360 by jar
03-18-2017 10:57 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
It is, however, good to cast spells against prayer and specific forms of evil.

Casting spells involves Satan's powers, it is not permissible in any Christian context.

Witchcraft is thought by many to be the likely main form of the final One World Religion when it comes, however, which makes sense because Satan will finally be ruling the planet unhindered, as he's always wanted to do, so its open practice now could mean we're almost there.

It will probably be called Christianity, but I'm still hoping we Bible believers will have been raptured by then.


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Message 362 of 960 (802597)
03-18-2017 11:45 AM
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03-18-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Me too.

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Message 363 of 960 (802600)
03-18-2017 12:12 PM
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03-18-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Was Lazarus raptured? Was he in the heavenly kingdom? Are you making a death wish? I am thinking of the Rich Man story in Luke btw
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Faith
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Message 364 of 960 (802612)
03-18-2017 1:06 PM
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03-18-2017 12:12 PM


Rapture
Was Lazarus raptured? Was he in the heavenly kingdom? Are you making a death wish? I am thinking of the Rich Man story in Luke btw

To be raptured is to be taken to heaven without dying. So no, I'm not wishing for death but to be spared death.

I'm referring to the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture which some expect to occur as part of the End Times events, initiating the "Great Tribulation" which is an outpouring of God's wrath on the planet. It is one of a number of end times eschatologies, none of which have ever completely convinced me, but the Pre Trib Rapture has been growing on me lately because of a book on the subject I've been reading in fits and starts.

Lazarus died, he wasn't raptured and he was in "Paradise" not heaven, because this was before Christ's crucifixion, which opened the door to heaven. Only a couple of believers could be said to have been raptured to this point: Enoch for instance, and Elijah, because they went straight to Paradise without dying. The Rapture is to do the same with all believers living on the earth at the time, millions at once. After we're gone you can all have a jolly good time. Except that God's wrath is to come down on your heads. For seven years until Christ's Second Coming.


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Message 365 of 960 (802613)
03-18-2017 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by Faith
03-18-2017 10:56 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Read my post. Why did you not condemn imprecatory prayer?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 366 of 960 (802615)
03-18-2017 1:37 PM
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03-18-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
I'm not going to condemn anything that's in the Bible. We're told to pray for our government leaders, period.
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Message 367 of 960 (802617)
03-18-2017 1:42 PM
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03-18-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
So, hypocrisy. Thank you for confirming.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 368 of 960 (802621)
03-18-2017 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Faith
03-18-2017 10:10 AM


The report says they'll be casting the spell once a month until he's removed from office, starting in February. I didn't hear about it soon enough to pray against it.

That's not how prayer works. It isn't a countermagic spell. God knew what was in your heart in this matter even if you didn't pray.

Whether you believe in the efficacy of witch spells or not, isn't there something just a tad anti-democratic about using any special tactics for a political purpose to defeat a President half the voting population elected?

Tell that to the religious/right who used 'special tactics' against Obama.

Incidentally, you claimed you hadn't dropped the transgender bathroom law discussion regarding totalitarian tactics there. But then you never answered my question as to whether the laws you disagree with in this matter are totalitarian tactics of the right.


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Message 369 of 960 (802648)
03-19-2017 12:50 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by Faith
03-18-2017 10:38 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
Trump WON. He's the President. Who voted against him is now irrelevant according to American tradition. According to that tradition the outgoing President and his administration graciously leave the field to the incoming administration.

And that has all happened. So where's the beef?

This civilized practice has been violently discarded by the Left in every possible way since Trump won.

Has it?

I see the left exercising their rights to free speech. And I see them filing court challenges when they believe that Trump has exceeded his authority. These are entirely proper responses.

But there are levels and degrees of witchcraft.

Oh! So this is all about witchcraft.

When somebody says they will use witchcraft, the proper response is to laugh at their foolishness.


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Message 370 of 960 (802649)
03-19-2017 1:21 AM
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03-18-2017 10:38 AM


Re: Witches Casting a Spell Against Trump
According to that tradition the outgoing President and his administration graciously leave the field to the incoming administration. This civilized practice has been violently discarded by the Left in every possible way since Trump won.

This is an obvious flat out lie. Obama is on vacation and his administration is gone. Trump spends more time bringing up Obama's name than just about any past president has spent blaming his predecessor, and for the most part, Obama does not even respond.

Your post is shamefully inaccurate.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Message 371 of 960 (802650)
03-19-2017 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 364 by Faith
03-18-2017 1:06 PM


Re: Rapture
To be raptured is to be taken to heaven without dying. So no, I'm not wishing for death but to be spared death.

Let's not quibble about this. You don't have to be raptured to enjoy eternal life. Wanting to be raptured in your own lifetime means wishing a literal hell on earth for your contemporaries.

I'd recommend that you get your theology from the Bible rather than some "book you've been reading in fits and starts".


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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Faith
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Message 372 of 960 (802651)
03-19-2017 1:47 AM


witchcraft among other attacks on Trump
You guys -- nwr, NoNukes -- really ought to keep up JUST A LITTLE with the conservative side of things, a few minutes of a few radio talk shows now and then maybe, check in with Drudge or Breitbart maybe, or at least WND or Newsmax, just once in a while, because all you know is the leftist side of it.

The first thing David Horowitz said in that talk I posted somewhere recently, which he also says in his book on the Trump presidency that just came out, "Big Agenda," the way Trump has been treated since he took office is absolutely unprecedented in American politics. He said that a president is usually given a few months, seven according to Gallup, to try out his plans before his opponents jump on him, but Trump didn't even get seven seconds.

The court challenges are unprecedented and illegal too. And the protests are also unprecedented, certainly the number of them and the violence of them particularly, and the calls to assassinate him. You may be blind to it, but Trump supporters are only too aware of it. abe: A woman accosting Spicer in a store and accusing him of supporting a fascist? This is NOT normal American politics. This is the Left as crazed as it is possible to get. /abe

It is also unprecedented that the previous President would stay in Washington, as Obama has, just a short distance from the White House, and that we hear his opinions on what Trump is doing from time to time. Absolutely unprecedented. And of course conservatives are painfully aware of the bias of the media, that never stop coming up with ways to put out stories that find some fault in every thing he does. All this is unprecedented.

As for the witchcraft, what's foolish is to think there's nothing to it.

(I thought I knew a fair amount about the occult myself, but lately since I have trouble sleeping during the night I sometimes hear the program "Coast to Coast" on the radio and am amazed at the stuff people describe of occult/spiritual/paranormal phenomena. Tune it in sometime.)

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Faith
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Message 373 of 960 (802652)
03-19-2017 1:56 AM
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03-19-2017 1:40 AM


Re: Rapture
To be raptured is to be taken to heaven without dying. So no, I'm not wishing for death but to be spared death.

Let's not quibble about this. You don't have to be raptured to enjoy eternal life. Wanting to be raptured in your own lifetime means wishing a literal hell on earth for your contemporaries.

Which is the one thing that gives me pause. It will be horrific and the thought of my own family going through it scares me to death. But they won't listen to me; it leaves me in despair for them.

One thing that's good about wishing for the rapture is getting to say something about just how bad it will be for those left behind. Maybe some will wake up.
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Things have to get pretty bleak on earth to allow myself to wish to be raptured, and it is looking pretty hopeless to me these days when I think about people's getting further and further from any kind of openness to God and more and more committed to the evil that is growing on the earth by leaps and bounds.

I'd recommend that you get your theology from the Bible rather than some "book you've been reading in fits and starts

The book is about what the Bible says. What else could it be about? And it's written by a preacher. It's better at making sense of how certain passages come together than other discussions of the end times events I've seen. Nobody can read the Bible and completely understand it; that's why God tgives us teachers and preachers who can bring out meanings we miss. Instead of ignoring the possibility perhaps you need to consider it.

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Faith
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Message 374 of 960 (802653)
03-19-2017 2:20 AM
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03-19-2017 1:56 AM


Re: Rapture
Here's the thing: It has come to look like living through the worsening times we live in could be as bad as going through the Tribulation. I can't wish either on anybody, but choosing between them has become difficult.
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Message 375 of 960 (802665)
03-19-2017 4:13 AM
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03-19-2017 1:56 AM


Re: Rapture
The book is about what the Bible says. What else could it be about? And it's written by a preacher.
Out of curiosity, what is the name of this book?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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