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Author Topic:   The Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right
Faith 
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Message 811 of 960 (813119)
06-23-2017 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 810 by JonF
06-23-2017 9:17 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
I watched a couple of videos trying to find the best one to post but I'm going to have to come back to it later. Here's
the You Tube page
if you want to check for yourself. I saw the first and the third.
Maybe the first ten minutes of Hannity would answer your question about, not a "worldwide" conspiracy but certainly a general attitude among Leftists. If not, I'll see what I can do later.
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JonF
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Message 812 of 960 (813124)
06-23-2017 10:49 AM
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06-23-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
I should point out that nobody in their right mind will say there is no evidence for a matter the FBI is currently investigating, no matter whether or not they know and no mater what the investigation is based on.

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JonF
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Message 813 of 960 (813125)
06-23-2017 11:08 AM
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06-23-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
"5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references."
OK, I watched the first few minutes.
I didn't see, nor have I seen anywhere, any evidence that anyone is trying to remove Trump. What forces have "formed an alliance" to try to remove Trump?
No examples of alleged continuous media lies. "No evidence whatsoever" is just a lie of his.
There is no solid evidence of an organized "Deep State". It certainly appears that there are a lot more leaks than the usual Washington flood. But the existence of those leaks is not necessarily the result of a conspiracy. It's certainly possible that most or all of them are the result of decent and dedicated workers horrified at the destruction Trump and his gang are wreaking, and IMHO that's what is happening.
Mueller's investigation is expanding at least partly because he is finding evidence to suggest criminality, and by law he may not ignore it. I assume that you were incensed when Ken Starr expanded the Whitewater investigation to so many other areas over a period of four years.
He repeats the unfounded charge of a conspiracy to remove Trump.
The media for the most part is not pushing a story of Trump colluding with the Russians. Personally I feel that there may have been collusion at lower levels nobody with a lick of sense would have brought Trump into it since he can't keep a secret. He has had far more Russian contacts than he's admitted but that in itself is not criminal.
That's enough for now...

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Message 814 of 960 (813126)
06-23-2017 11:12 AM
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06-23-2017 11:08 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
The media for the most part is not pushing a story of Trump colluding with the Russians.
Where Trump is obviously involved in is the cover up. obstructing justice by firing Comey, tweeting about possible tapes to try to influence comey's testimony (witness tampering).

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JonF
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Message 815 of 960 (813128)
06-23-2017 11:15 AM


I watched WATCH: Here's a Montage of Democrats Confirming They Have ZERO Evidence Trump Colluded with Russia on Hannity's site.
None of them said "evidence does not exist" or any equivalent.
In particular James Clapper was clear in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee:
quote:
During my tenure as DNI, it was my practice to defer to the FBI director, both Director Mueller and then subsequently Director Comey, on whether, when and to what extent they would inform me about such investigations. This stems from the unique position of the FBI, which straddles both intelligence and law enforcement. And as a consequence, I was not aware of the counterintelligence investigation Director Comey first referred to during his testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee for Intelligence on the 20th of March, and that comports with my public statements.
{emphasis added}
Note that he specifically referred to a counterintelligence investigation and made no mention of any possible criminal investigation.

  
Faith 
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Message 816 of 960 (813165)
06-23-2017 10:20 PM


Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
Some video evidence:
Homeless black woman who defends Trump abused by Trump haters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJV41gS2c8M
Raw footage of white guy beaten by blacks yelling about how he "voted Trump"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ejd02aEUo
Some sane black commentary on the beating:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLaQjKQc6Ww
News coverage interview of same white "Trump supporter(?)" beaten by blacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PlzEjaQiI
A compilation of anti-Trump attacks. The last one is of the handicapped man tied up and abused by four blacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUVuzbfu3aQ&t=334s
ABE: This one is a confrontation between a group of kids who support Trump and a Black Lives Matter man. It automatically started running and I got caught up in it so thought I'd post it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIj9jmf4mSM
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JonF
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Message 817 of 960 (813183)
06-24-2017 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 816 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:20 PM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
No response to my points?
I have already acknowledged the existence of such violence and condemned it. I'll look at some of them.

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JonF
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Message 818 of 960 (813184)
06-24-2017 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 816 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:20 PM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
The first is indeed horrible.
The second is an Alex Jones (your soul mate, remember?) lie. The altercation was after a traffic incident and had nothing to do with politics. 'Black Mob' Beats White Man for Voting Trump? | Snopes.com
In the third I can barely understand the narrator and can't understand any of what's said.
The fourth does give some more information, and that does indeed seem horrible.
The fifth does recount a crime and alleges anti-Trump influence, followed by a "Clintons killed their way to the top" lie. I don't trust that source at all.
The last is certainly heated but not violent.
So I'll give you two, maybe three, horrible violent incidents which I condemn are are not evidence of an organized conspiracy.
OTOH, Donald Trump Hate And Violence Map.

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Faith 
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Message 819 of 960 (813188)
06-24-2017 8:38 AM
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06-24-2017 8:04 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
Just saw the montage. Overwhelming impression they've got NO EVIDENCE.
Beating up the white guy started over a fender bender but the crowd whipped it up with accusations that he voted for Trump.
The fifth contains many incidents, the last one is the one with four blacks torturing a handicapped young white man.
We don't need to call it a "conspiracy" to recognize that there's a strong feeling on the Left that violence is just fine against Trump supporters. Such an idea has to come from somewhere. Normally we are reminded of the "peaceful transition of power" America is so proud of, but not in this election.
I added the last as I said because it was interesting, although it isn't about violence, but it certainly shows the ignorance of the BLM man who keeps accusing Trump of racism. However, more educated people also keep stupidly claiming the same thing he keeps saying, that immigration restrictions are about racism against Muslims and Mexicans when it is no such thing, but obviously somebody on the Left wants that to be the "narrative." We're getting all kinds of diseases in the country now because of the idiot Left that insists on bringing in people who carry them.
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jar
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Message 820 of 960 (813189)
06-24-2017 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 819 by Faith
06-24-2017 8:38 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
Faith writes:
Such an idea has to come from somewhere. Normally we are reminded of the "peaceful transition of power" America is so proud of, but not in this election.
Yes and to find the source for the change we need to look no further than Trump's rhetoric during the campaign.

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Faith 
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Message 821 of 960 (813190)
06-24-2017 8:51 AM
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06-24-2017 8:46 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
That is idiotic. Trump said nothing racist but the idiot Left keeps making it racist.

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jar
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Message 822 of 960 (813192)
06-24-2017 9:02 AM
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06-24-2017 8:51 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
Trump encouraged violence to stop dissent. Il Donald set the tone for this transition.

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Faith 
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Message 823 of 960 (813193)
06-24-2017 9:14 AM
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06-24-2017 9:02 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
Trump never encouraged violence.

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Message 824 of 960 (813194)
06-24-2017 9:18 AM
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06-24-2017 9:14 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters

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Faith 
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Message 825 of 960 (813195)
06-24-2017 9:28 AM
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06-24-2017 9:18 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
I may not know what you are talking about but I'm not lying.
The only violence I ever heard of was against the violent evil Leftists who crashed his rallies. One could object even against that but it is defensive, it is not promoting violence -- it is the Left that does that, and crashing a Trump rally is an example of it. No respect for different views, no respect for freedom of speech, no respect for the millions who voted for Trump, they're just a bunch of totalitarian ideologues who must have their way and can't tolerate any other point of view.
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