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PaulK
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Message 901 of 960 (814753)
07-12-2017 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 900 by Faith
07-12-2017 2:19 PM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
quote:

I can't even keep track of Hillary's crimes, including selling American info to Russia for money

I suppose your sources keep inventing new ones.

quote:

Sessions' contact had nothing to do with campaign issues, they were standard contacts with diplomats that all US politicians have

That's why the problem is that he mislead Congress about them (which does lead to the suspicion that there might have been more to the meetings)

quote:

There was nothing he was required to report, or would even have occurred to him to report.

He was asked about meetings between Trump campaign staff and the Russians. He said he didn't know of any. He met with the Russians while he was working for the Trump campaign. What he said was obviously false and misleading.


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Message 902 of 960 (814754)
07-12-2017 2:49 PM
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07-12-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
All Trump Jr or Kushner or Manafort had to do was to refuse the meeting.

Or at least consult with the campaign's legal advisors. That's what I would have done if I were in that situation.


Patriotism is the excuse that countries give to themselves for their failures. – Stephen Marche

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Message 903 of 960 (814757)
07-12-2017 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by Faith
07-12-2017 1:07 PM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
Faith writes:

Hillary did a lot of colluding with Russia but that's being ignored.

Conservatives are a bunch of children who think "HE DID IT TOO" is a way of covering up crimes. Pathetic.


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Message 904 of 960 (814758)
07-12-2017 2:59 PM
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07-11-2017 8:31 PM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
Faith writes:

And there is no crime in talking to a Russian, even for promising dirt on a political opponent.

Then why did Don Jr. lie about it?


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Message 905 of 960 (814762)
07-12-2017 3:24 PM
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07-12-2017 2:19 PM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
Faith writes:

I can't even keep track of Hillary's crimes....


Whatever happened to that investigation that Trump was promising? He's the President. He has the power to fire the head of the FBI. How come the FBI is investigating him instead of Hillary?
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Message 906 of 960 (814769)
07-12-2017 5:41 PM


FYI 52 U.S. Code Section 30121:

quote:
(a) ProhibitionIt shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

Did Don Jr.'s and other's attendance at the meeting constitute soliciting a thing of value from a foreign national in connection with a Federal election?

It's definitely possible and, IMH and non-lawerly opinion, likely.

It requires more investigation, and that will happen.


  
Faith
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Message 907 of 960 (814770)
07-12-2017 6:03 PM
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07-12-2017 2:57 PM


ItRe: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
It isn't about who "did it too," Hillary is the criminal, willful criminal, Trump Jr. just got sucked into a setup, and it wouldn't have been a crime in any case.
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Faith
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Message 908 of 960 (814771)
07-12-2017 6:04 PM
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07-12-2017 3:24 PM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
How come? Because the Left is out to get him no matter what, it's got nothing to do with anything he deserves. I don't know why he didn't investigate Hillary, he should have.
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Message 909 of 960 (814773)
07-12-2017 6:19 PM



- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 910 of 960 (814774)
07-12-2017 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 894 by Chiroptera
07-12-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
Legally, there may not be much here. According to the only one talking about the meeting itself (namely, Donald Jr), it turned out that the whole meeting was to talk about the Magnitsky Act.

Sigh. At the very minimum, Kushner lied about the meeting on a document used to vet him for a security clearance and/or evaluate him for conflicts. There is a huge pattern of this behavior from any number of folks.

Trump, Jr. continued to lie and obfuscate up until the point where the NY Times promised to release the email chain.

Let's recall that the administration's position was that nobody from the campaign talked to Russia prior to the election. How many folks have been caught lying so far?

Leave that punch bowl alone. That Kool-aid is not for you.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000


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JonF
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Message 911 of 960 (814783)
07-12-2017 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 907 by Faith
07-12-2017 6:03 PM


Re: ItRe: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
Frantically trying to change an embarrassing subject,, I see.

What do you have to say, if anything, about the legality or lack thereof of Don Jr.'s actions? No fact-free rants, please.

{Way OT, but I am compelled to point out it's easy to count the credible evidence hinting at any illegality by Hillary; there is none despite decades of right-wing efforts and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars spent on repeating previous investigations.}


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Faith
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Message 912 of 960 (814797)
07-12-2017 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 911 by JonF
07-12-2017 9:04 PM


Re: ItRe: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
From everything I've heard there is nothing illegal about what Trump Jr. did.

There is also nothing wrong with not reporting on contacts with Russian representatives that occur all the time in the normal course of political life, which the left keeps trying to turn into crimes (xongsmith post) although the Democrats have the same experience of such contacts.

And imputing motives to an opponent ("trying to change an embarrassing subject') is a violation of the Rules.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 913 of 960 (814805)
07-12-2017 11:59 PM
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07-12-2017 11:05 PM


Re: ItRe: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
Since the claims of innocence rely on the fact Trump jr didn't get what he was looking for they really don't speak well of him. Or Kushner.

And if you really think that there is nothing wrong with misleading Congress just come out and say it. Because that is what Sessions did. Which comes doubly suspicious when we add in the lies of Flynn and Trump jr about their meetings.


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Faith
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Message 914 of 960 (814806)
07-13-2017 12:03 AM
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07-12-2017 11:59 PM


Re: ItRe: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
There is nothing misleading about not reporting on something that is obviously irrelevant to the investigation and wouldn't even come to mind in the discussion.

The whole thing was innocent, there are no ethical or criminal implications whatever except in the feverish minds of leftists. The point about its being a setup isn't to establish innocence, it's to show that ALL this stuff is the work of the Left. ALL OF IT.


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PaulK
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Message 915 of 960 (814807)
07-13-2017 12:10 AM
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07-13-2017 12:03 AM


Re: ItRe: Nobody said there is *no* evidence of collusion
You should know by now that that excuse is less than honest.

And if nothing was wrong why all the lying and dishonesty ?


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