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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Hi Faith - just doing a bit of research on this, in order to try to narrow down why gay marriage is a conscience issue for fundamental Christians and not other issues.
Do the Christian bakers also refuse to bake Eid cakes, as far as you're aware ? It's probably not an issue in practice, because they are pretty unlikely to use halal ingredients - but if a Muslim family was so impressed with their work, that they asked them to bake an Eid cake with halal ingredients, would they - or indeed you - see that as a matter of conscience to refuse to do it ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Okay, Eid is the Muslim festival, which celebrates the end of Ramadan, a month of religious fasting. Cakes are often eaten at Eid - for fairly obvious reasons.
Halal is a series of requirements, relating to foods, ingredients and methods of preparation, which are permitted by Islam.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I don't see a problem of conscience with any of that. That's cool - and I agree with you. The reason all of this gay marriage thing puzzles me, is that whilst there is a pretty clear ordinance against worshipping other gods in the Bible - eg Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" - it's ok to bake a cake for another god's religious festival. But not for a gay couple's secular marriage. To me, baking a cake for another god's festival is at least as much a contradiction to a Christian's Biblical commands, as baking a cake for someone else's secular gay marriage (to the extent that either are. I happen to think that neither is that big an affront). I'm afraid I can't help but feel that religious consciences are being cited in support of a particular prejudice, but are not brought up when it comes to another potential prejudice.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Hi Faith.
In terms of an analogy, let me run this one past you. As I understand your past posts, you don't believe that Catholics are true Christians. But the country recognises their faith as Christian, allows their churches charitable status (I think), allows them to conduct legally binding ceremonies etc. It affords their churches the same status it affords yours. Does that recognition by the US of Catholicism destroy Christianity for you ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
When Satan comes along speaking in the name of equality, who can oppose him? Presumably, people who can't stand equality.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
the evils of ...... feminsim You'll have to forgive me - I'm not familiar with Australian products - is this some new cell phone technology that's driving you to distraction ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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Ok, your responses are straying very much off-topic, and one of the rules here is that you must stay on the topic of the thread - and start a new thread for a new topic.
As a result, I won't respond to your statements re feminism and wider equality. That would involve me going off-topic. I'm also left querying the extent to which we're being Poe'd here - you state that you're a practising Catholic, and also state that you've never read the Bible. I question therefore the seriousness of your posts, and the depths of your research in making your points.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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And here's you suffering no loss, having none of your rights infringed and getting to share in a part of the joy and wonder of two human beings, your friends, finding love with each other.
It's political correctness gone mad !!! ;-)Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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some weird need that came from who knows where. The need is to be treated equally by society, when who you are and how you live your life hurts no one else and limits no one else’s rights. That’s hardly weird, Faith.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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