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Message 991 of 1017 (804326)
04-08-2017 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 985 by Faith
04-07-2017 10:25 PM


Faith writes:

You are of course glossing over the main point, which is that the doctrine of evolution actively destroys traditional morality.

And as expected you have not shown there is anything called traditional morality or that evolution has in anyway effected that critter.

Sorry Faith but there is no such thing as "traditional morality™".

Nor has evolution destroyed morality. In fact the argument can be made that society is far more moral today than Jesus was.


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Message 992 of 1017 (804327)
04-08-2017 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 986 by Faith
04-07-2017 10:40 PM


Fath writes:

The only way you "can still follow Jesus" while believing evolution is true is by denying a lot of the written Word that Jesus considered to be God's word, and making a "leap" of faith that has no solid ground to land on. Evolution eliminates the whole first eleven chapters of Genesis, which are foundational to salvation in Christ. Beyond that its affinity with liberalism which is also man-centered thinking, is part of the kind of thinking that denies most of the rest of Biblical history as well.

Objectively speaking, it's either the word of God or it's evolution. Compromises are made, but they aren't justifiable by any standard of truth.

Thank God. It's about time all learned that all of the Bible is simply the work of man and acknowledge the contradictions, factual errors and fantasies it contains. We know a whole lot more today than Jesus knew.


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Message 993 of 1017 (804333)
04-08-2017 9:46 AM
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04-08-2017 7:44 AM


We know a whole lot more today than Jesus knew.

Considering that He's God and knows absolutely everything, that's an amazing claim.


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Message 994 of 1017 (804335)
04-08-2017 9:54 AM
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04-08-2017 7:41 AM


And as expected you have not shown there is anything called traditional morality or that evolution has in anyway effected that critter.

Oh I think I did a fair job of it in Message 983. Not definitive but a start.

Sorry Faith but there is no such thing as "traditional morality™".

Oh in the Western world it's pretty much synonymous with the Ten Commandments, and in Message 983 I've shown how evolution has undermined their authority. It's really rather hard to deny, since it's often actively applauded.

Nor has evolution destroyed morality. In fact the argument can be made that society is far more moral today than Jesus was.

Yes, it can be made and it can be debunked, which I believe I've done. And here you are actively applauding it as I said is so popular today. Murder is now morally acceptable for instance; fornication, adultery, divorce, gay marriage are all now acceptable, even "more moral" as you say. What an improvement!

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Message 995 of 1017 (804341)
04-08-2017 10:37 AM
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04-08-2017 9:46 AM


Faith writes:

Considering that He's God and knows absolutely everything, that's an amazing claim.

Yet the Bible shows he did not know everything and was even wrong at times.


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Message 996 of 1017 (804344)
04-08-2017 10:40 AM
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04-08-2017 9:54 AM


Faith writes:

Murder is now morally acceptable for instance; fornication, adultery, divorce, gay marriage are all now acceptable, even "more moral" as you say.

There you go lying yet again. Murder is not morally acceptable today in the US. Fornication and adultery are not morally acceptable today in the US. Even Jesus said that at time divorce was okay. And gay marriage is a great example of a much higher morality than in the past.


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Message 997 of 1017 (804345)
04-08-2017 10:42 AM
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04-08-2017 10:40 AM


See Message 983 for the way I used the terms and stop calling me a liar.
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Message 998 of 1017 (804346)
04-08-2017 10:44 AM
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04-08-2017 10:42 AM


Faith writes:

See Message 983 for the way I used the terms and stop calling me a liar.

But you continue to tell lies Faith. When you lie about what words mean it is still a lie even if you believe you are right.


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Message 999 of 1017 (804347)
04-08-2017 10:46 AM
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04-08-2017 10:44 AM


When you stupidly misread somebody you don't get a right to call them a liar.

ABE: Or perhaps more to the point, disagreeing with me doesn't give you the right to call me a liar.

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Message 1000 of 1017 (804355)
04-08-2017 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 983 by Faith
04-07-2017 10:05 PM


Faith attacks jar for ignoring her post 983 but ignores my earlier response. Take 2!
quote:

Based on the elimination of the Christianity-based morality of the west, that has made divorce easy, promoted sexual freedom without restriction, adultery, devalues marriage and the nuclear family, and now treats gay marriage as a "right."

Audemus Jura Nostra Defendere

We dare defend our rights.

This is the state motto of Alabama.
(or was a few decades ago and still might be)

Is there freedom from the restrictive secular (?) laws as Paul said or are "rights" essentially the right to oppress others?

If you disagree with my literal reading of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:12 then still respond please.

You have said repeatedly that your rights are being trampled.

You also said it is a sin to compare those whose rights you want the right to deny. post 367

quote:

There is no such thing as sexual orientation, homosexual acts are sin. Comparing it to race is in itself sin. WHICH DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE SINNER, BUT WE ALSO AREN"T TO TREAT THE SIN AS A MERE SEXUAL VARIATION, WHICH IS WHAT LEGAL GAY MARRIAGE ASKS OF US.

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Message 1001 of 1017 (804356)
04-08-2017 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 999 by Faith
04-08-2017 10:46 AM


Faith, when you claim the Bible is inerrant and without error then you are simply showing your ignorance.

When you claim the earth is young or that one of the Biblical flood myths actually happened you are simply showing your ignorance.

When you say we cannot say what happened in the past you are simply showing your ignorance.

When you say Roman Catholics are not Christians you are simply showing your ignorance.

But when you say "Murder is now morally acceptable for instance; fornication, adultery, divorce, gay marriage are all now acceptable, even "more moral" as you say." you are just plain lying.

It really is that simple Faith.


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Message 1002 of 1017 (804359)
04-08-2017 5:53 PM
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04-08-2017 4:56 PM


Faith and her point (response to jar)
Her point about evolution being used to justify murder is annoying and misleading (I will get to that in a sec ) but it was used by various leaders in the relatively early decades (broadly speaking about a century or so ) to help justify murder and such.

Faith ignores the fact that the population was the first and foremost constituency of the leaders though. The population was part of a largely creation believing culture. The population was still old line creationist and the use of additional evolutionary arguments to supplement nationalism and murder was simply a case of overlap in a transforming world situation.

Her comment about the pro-democracy views of creationism really needs to be responded to rather fanatically however. The fact that our nation has been hurt so badly by the anti-democratic south (for some 200 years) demands a concentrated 24/7 endless response that should include loud shouting. ENDLESS RANTS about how southerners and J Edgar Hoover said that Dr Martin Luther King Jr was a liar who wanted voting rights for blacks just for the benefit of promoting socialism in the South. A "Negro Soviet republic " as Robert Welch said.

The rights of Alabama and Mississippians were audacious (the 1st person plural verb in the Alabama motto is the Latin word for audacity in English ) but the real audacity is when Faith invokes democratic tendency as a feature of creationism.

EDIT I should have said that the "rights" of the white minorities in states like Mississippi and South Carolina to oppose democracy ( just like Alabama ) were audacious enough. I failed to point out that most (57% being black! ) Mississippi folk weren't represented by that states policies during and after the Civil War.

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Message 1003 of 1017 (804360)
04-08-2017 7:35 PM
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04-08-2017 4:56 PM


How interesting. We no longer need any evidence at all, or any attempt to respond to evidence, just stating our opinion is sufficient. At least if we're not a creationist. Eh?

Also it has apparently become proper to attack the person rather than the argument.

And before that of course calling a person a liar because you disagree with his/her opinion has also become good debate form.

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Message 1004 of 1017 (804361)
04-08-2017 7:39 PM
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04-08-2017 5:53 PM


Re: Faith and her point (response to jar)
If I had even the ghost of a clue what you are going on about I might try to respond. Just one incomprehensible accusation after another, however, is a bit hard to digest.

I did give my reasoning you know. Interesting that nobody bothers about that.

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Message 1005 of 1017 (804370)
04-08-2017 8:39 PM
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04-08-2017 7:39 PM


Alabama state motto and "rights" !
You always say that ( "I can't follow you ") but you ended up confirming me when I kept saying that you explain away post-Easter commands as "ceremonial" like you did with the commands in Acts 15. You even acknowledged that "fornication" might have been a "ceremonial" issue once you looked into fundamentalist commentary that was desperately attempting to explain away the Acts 15 commands as "ceremonial".

All of that was after you dismissed out of hand my suggestion that Paul was talking about idol ceremonial practice in his denunciation of certain sexual activity in I Corinthians 6

You still ignore his ALL THINGS... LAWFUL comment while criticizing the sins in the same breath.

But what about Alabama claiming that it has been fighting for "rights" (civil war, Selma, segregation, etc. ) ?

You should know that the Alabama state motto is right along the lines of your "they oppose our rights " cry.

You have to know EXACTLY what I am asking you and why. (you put on a good "I don't understand " one too many times Faith)

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