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Message 1006 of 1017 (804373)
04-08-2017 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1005 by LamarkNewAge
04-08-2017 8:39 PM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
I usually CAN'T follow you because you are always going off on some completely irrelevant track of your own that has little to nothing to do with anything I've said. I showed that historically evolution has been used to undermine what I called "traditional morality," which I said wsa based on the Ten Commandments. I showed how those HAVE been undermined and the reasoning based on evolution that brought that about.

Now you are apparently claiming something about Christian morality being a bad thing? That of course has nothing to do with anything I've said. If traditional morality is based on the Ten Commandments, and I showed how the logic of evolution has been undermining those commandments, you are simply introducing a completely new and irrelevant topic. Unfortunately when you do that you also impute things to me I never said or even thought and that is really frustrating. There's no stopping you apparently but there should be.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1007 of 1017 (804374)
04-08-2017 9:05 PM


LamarkNewAge - Semi-random blather?
I have a lot of trouble even describing what I see wrong with your messages.

I definitely would not file them under "clear and concise". Maybe "cryptic and rambling"?

I wouldn't blame anyone for just ignoring your messages.

No replies in this topic. If you feel the need to reply (and I know you do), go to General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List').

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Message 1008 of 1017 (804376)
04-08-2017 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1006 by Faith
04-08-2017 9:02 PM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
Alabama claims that "rights" were being DEFENDED by Governor Wallace in the 60s.

In the same exact way you talk about your "rights" coming under assault.

Think gay marriage.

Just think.


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Message 1009 of 1017 (804409)
04-09-2017 9:03 AM
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04-08-2017 9:21 PM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
Your Message 1002 was all over the map and now you are bringing it all back to Gay Marriage? I didn't read all you wrote earlier about Alabama so I don't know the specifics but I gather you are making the point others have made that you think the gay marriage situation is the same as interracial marriage or something racist in any case? I don't think there is any similarity at all as I've said many times. Homosexuality is not comparable to race.
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Message 1010 of 1017 (804412)
04-09-2017 9:15 AM
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04-09-2017 9:03 AM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
I don't think there is any similarity at all as I've said many times. Homosexuality is not comparable to race.

Exactly the same.

In the Alabama case Wallace was touting his perceived State's Right to discriminate. In your case you are touting your perceived religious right to do the same. They are both the same evil, painted with the same hate-filled brush but one is black and the other is rainbow.



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Message 1011 of 1017 (804415)
04-09-2017 9:43 AM


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Message 1012 of 1017 (804427)
04-09-2017 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1009 by Faith
04-09-2017 9:03 AM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
"I didn't read all you wrote earlier about Alabama "

You ignored my question about the (rarely mentioned ) very anti democratic nature about the "Christian civilization" that you feel the south superbly represents. In 1964 few blacks could even vote in the tyranny that was the deep south. Lyndon Johnson got 12% of the state vote ( I heard ) even though blacks were over 30% of the population and all supported Johnson.

It is the idea that the ONLY places that claim to be "defending Christian rights" by opposing gay rights were the same ones who denied blacks the right to vote. (among other basic rights )

The Alabama state motto seems to be your manifesto.

We Dare To Defend Our Rights

Sounds like you lifted it.


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Message 1013 of 1017 (804432)
04-09-2017 2:13 PM
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04-09-2017 1:59 PM


dup
dup.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1014 of 1017 (804433)
04-09-2017 2:14 PM
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04-09-2017 1:59 PM


Oh blithering blathering nonsense about rights
You ignored my question about the (rarely mentioned ) very anti democratic nature about the "Christian civilization" that you feel the south superbly represents. In 1964 few blacks could even vote in the tyranny that was the deep south. Lyndon Johnson got 12% of the state vote ( I heard ) even though blacks were over 30% of the population and all supported Johnson.

It is the idea that the ONLY places that claim to be "defending Christian rights" by opposing gay rights were the same ones who denied blacks the right to vote. (among other basic rights )
The Alabama state motto seems to be your manifesto.

We Dare To Defend Our Rights

Sounds like you lifted it.

Just more crazy made-up stuff from you. Cut it out.

You just keep imputing stuff to me I never said. For instance, I've never said one thing about the South, let alone that I "feel' the south "superbly represents" Christian civilization. THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE, I NEVER SAID OR THOUGHT ANY SUCH THING. Such a thought never even crossed my mind. I don't identify ANYTHING with the South. If I had to locate the seat of Christian civilization in America I'd probably choose New England where the Pilgrims landed, but only for a short time as it went on to lose all its Christian character. You make up stuff about me.

YOU have some idea about the South relative to Christian "rights," I don't. I never said any such thing. "My Manifesto????" I've never been to the South, oh once a brief drive through of the coast states, never spent any time there, don't know much about the South, so why are you identifying me with the South? You are always accusing me of things that exist only in YOUR mind and have nothing to do with me.

I have to start ignoring you for real.

You are apparently getting all this made-up trash from a few remarks I made about how the West used to be Christian civilization, and how American rights included religious rights? NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH or Wallace or whatever weird stuff is going through yhour head. Freedom of religion isn't about the South, it's about America.

And for the zillionth time none of this is about "discrimination" against persons either. Please remember the topic is GAY MARRIAGE, it's about MARRIAGE, it's not about PEOPLE.

Sheesh.

This is probably my last post to you, there's no point, you make a garbled mess of everything I say and I'm tired of being accused of weird things thaqt have nothing to do with me.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1015 of 1017 (804437)
04-09-2017 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1010 by AZPaul3
04-09-2017 9:15 AM


Re: Alabama state motto and "rights" !
Funny how the most hate-filled posts dripping with venom are the ones falsely and meanly accusing someone else of being hate-filled.
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Message 1016 of 1017 (804441)
04-09-2017 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1014 by Faith
04-09-2017 2:14 PM


Re: Oh blithering blathering nonsense about rights
I asked a question.

I didn't say you were a segregationist.

You keep talking about how bad California is compared to the red states.

You brought up the issue of anti-democracy ideologies.

You keep saying how brave you are to dare to defend your "rights"

You keep making your arguments. I keep asking questions but my questions don't assume your loaded premises. I ask questions that have integrity because they are consistent with reality. I don't accept your prerequisites. You have lots of loaded premises that are innacurate IMO and my questions don't assume that you are morally superior nor do they assume you represent any of the founders of Christianity. That seems to be your beef. I never attacked you though. You attacked me multiple times.


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Message 1017 of 1017 (804443)
04-09-2017 3:06 PM


Closing for now
I'm going to close this down for a day or two. You guys can't keep your words off of each other! Percy asked you nicely.

I will reopen this thread in a couple of days. It may go into summation mode. There really isn't anything new to say here.


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