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Faith
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Message 1231 of 1358 (835762)
06-30-2018 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1230 by ringo
06-30-2018 12:06 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
And as I've said a million times already, if it is not protected and we are confronted with a demand to honor gay marriage we will have to be punished for refusing.
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ringo
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Message 1232 of 1358 (835765)
06-30-2018 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
06-30-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Faith writes:

... if it is not protected and we are confronted with a demand to honor gay marriage we will have to be punished for refusing.


That isn't a very Christian attitude.
quote:
Romans 13

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.



And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1233 of 1358 (835780)
07-01-2018 5:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1232 by ringo
06-30-2018 12:39 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
That's all true as long as there is no conflict between the human laws and God's law.

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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RAZD
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Message 1234 of 1358 (835781)
07-01-2018 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1229 by Faith
06-30-2018 11:57 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
... So again, Christians ...

Again, the fallacy of the part for the whole -- you mean the sect of fundamentalist Christians, not all Christians, especially as you only speak for yourself.

... will no longer be able to run wedding businesses ...

That is one choice that you can make.

... if we are put in the position of being required to endorse gay marriage in any other way we will have to take the punishment.

Or any other law against discrimination ...

That is another choice you can make, as can any person who disagrees with any law.

Another choice is to protest the law and organize to change it. Notice how this was in fact done to overcome laws of discrimination, such as women's right to vote, civil rights and gay rights.

Notice how you are advocating going backwards while the majority of the people have already moved forward, including many Christians. People who think it is proper to treat everyone equally, that nobody has a privilege to discriminate and treat one person differently from another.

That's means you're not so much being conservative, as being regressive bigot.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 1235 of 1358 (835789)
07-01-2018 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1233 by Faith
07-01-2018 5:04 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Interestingly enough, I was raised in a fundamentalist denomination (SDA) that placed many restrictions on behavior. Some of these restrictions severely compromised the ability to hold certain jobs. The solution, at least in our house, was simple: We can't take those jobs.

Of course Adventists have, or had, a commitment to religious liberty and the separation of church and state. We understood that our commitments to our beliefs should inconvenience us, not the rest of society. This was enlightened self-interest, as it was taken as given that if our beliefs intruded into civil society, civil society would take an interest in our beliefs, and not in a good way.

The Adventist understanding of the text in Acts was that we should choose to obey God, but that the consequences of that choice would be borne by us, not the rest of society.

I think it's cute how fundagelitards are fond of carrying on about various apostles allegedly being crucified upside down and so on because of their faith, but turn into whiny little snots about suffering minor civil penalties for trying to create a theocracy where public services would soon be segregated by religious belief, orientation, etc. at the expense of others.

You, Faith, are the sort of person from whom the Constitution was meant to protect your fellow citizens.

Edited by Capt Stormfield, : typo


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 1236 of 1358 (835790)
07-01-2018 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
06-30-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
... a demand to honor gay marriage...

So when a patient tells me that they prayed that the procedure I am about to perform would go well, how should I respond?

If I proceed, and things go well, I will have used my technical and artistic skills to support a belief I find stupid, offensive, and dangerous. Should I hang a "No Christians" sign in my reception area so that I don't have to "honor" their prayers?


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Porosity
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Message 1237 of 1358 (835792)
07-01-2018 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1233 by Faith
07-01-2018 5:04 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

The fact that god is just a meme implanted in minds of men, an extension of his ego. Technically, you are obeying men who are using their god meme as an authority.

Edited by Porosity, : spelling


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Faith
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Message 1238 of 1358 (835793)
07-01-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1236 by Capt Stormfield
07-01-2018 12:46 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Should I hang a "No Christians" sign in my reception area so that I don't have to "honor" their prayers?

If you like.


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Faith
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Message 1239 of 1358 (835794)
07-01-2018 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1237 by Porosity
07-01-2018 1:19 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
The fact that god is just a meme implanted in minds of men, an extension of his ego. Technically, you are obeying men who are using their god meme as an authority.

Yes and if society wants to make that definition law, and perhaps that will happen the way things are going, then religious freedom wiil be kaput for good.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 1240 of 1358 (835795)
07-01-2018 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1238 by Faith
07-01-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Thanks for the window into your world.

I need to shower now.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 1241 of 1358 (835803)
07-01-2018 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1239 by Faith
07-01-2018 1:33 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
...then religious freedom wiil be kaput for good.

Yeah, bummer. Whatever will we do with all the "No Colored or Queers" signs? I guess you miss the good old days when a person could make their soda fountain conform to their most deeply held values.


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ringo
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Message 1242 of 1358 (835813)
07-01-2018 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1233 by Faith
07-01-2018 5:04 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
The only conflict is the one that you're creating. If the requirements of your job offend your conscirnce, get a different job. By staying in a job or business that requires you to choose between God's law and the law of his agents, you're flouting the principle that Paul talked about. You're slapping God's agents in the face.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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anglagard
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Message 1243 of 1358 (835816)
07-01-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1231 by Faith
06-30-2018 12:22 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
Faith writes:


And as I've said a million times already, if it is not protected and we are confronted with a demand to honor gay marriage we will have to be punished for refusing.

As a Christian it is your prime directive to feed the poor, heal the sick, and comfort the distressed. Don't even start with me about actions mean nothing and faith means everything. Perhaps it is intentions that mean everything. Intentions when good mean actions, intentions when lazy lead to cheap grace, or worse - prosperity gospel, which is 100% anti anything Jesus, Mohamed, Krishna, Bhudda, Laotse, The White Buffalo Calf Woman, etc. ever said.

You know how much I hate responding to your posts but faith without *actual* good intentions is the highway to hell. Any action against any person for the purported "crime" of love is evil incarnate.

Either get your shit together or face the consequences of your actions or inactions.

Hit it AC/DC.

Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

Edited by anglagard, : The usual after the post editing.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Message 1244 of 1358 (835819)
07-01-2018 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1046 by Faith
06-08-2018 12:12 AM


Re: Opinion piece from the Guardian
How can anything dishonor the all powerful all knowing creator of the universe?
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Faith
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Message 1245 of 1358 (835825)
07-01-2018 10:59 PM
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07-01-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I expect to face the consequences. Hasn't that been clear?
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