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PaulK
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Message 1246 of 1258 (835827)
07-02-2018 12:31 AM
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07-01-2018 10:59 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
If you want to burn in Hell, that’s your choice.

You talk a lot about “breaking God’s Law” but you haven’t found one you would be breaking.

The whole thing is a secular issue and therefore the province of government anyway - at least according to Protestant thought.


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Message 1247 of 1258 (835831)
07-02-2018 8:00 AM
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07-01-2018 10:59 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
No, you've been arguing to change the consequences.
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Faith
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Message 1248 of 1258 (835832)
07-02-2018 10:05 AM
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07-02-2018 8:00 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I've done both. If the law isn't going to be changed we have to take the consequences.
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Message 1249 of 1258 (835838)
07-02-2018 11:37 AM
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07-02-2018 10:05 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
we have to take the consequences.

Which consequences? Sell wedding cakes to people you don't like? Or not sell wedding cakes at all?



What do you despise? By this are you truly known. -- Frank Herbert

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Message 1250 of 1258 (835839)
07-02-2018 11:51 AM
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07-02-2018 11:37 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I'm thinking of many different ways Chrsitians could be put in a difficult position in relation to gay marriage, not just through a wedding business, but any way we are required to affirm gay marriage. Issuing marriage licenses was a challenge for one Christian. And I'm sure it doesn't always have to involve something official or to do with business. Since we can't affirm it we have to take the consequences. Going out of business is one consequence. Paying fines may be another. Going to jail may be another. Simply losing a friendship may be another, and that's not one to be taken lightly either.

I know there's no point since there is a determination here to spin this as personal feelings no matter what I say, but I will just say it again: this is not about any kind of "dislike" of gay people or anything to do with discrimination against them as people, since there was never a problem for Christian-run bakeries and florists and photographers serving gays in any other context, birthdays, other celebrations, or just wanting something sweet to eat or flowers for a party and so on, only weddings; it's about the law legalizing gay marriage. Because we see it as clearly a violation of God's ordinance of marriage.

Period.

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Message 1251 of 1258 (835840)
07-02-2018 11:58 AM
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07-02-2018 11:51 AM


Thank God that God hs no standing
Thank God that God has no standing in a secular society and even the Bible supports common courtesy as overriding God's Laws.

But marriage is unrelated to any imagined God's Law anyway except in the mind of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, Biblical Perversion and Bigotry.


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Message 1252 of 1258 (835841)
07-02-2018 12:00 PM
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07-02-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
See how far you get pushing Muslims or maybe even some other classes of religious believer on gay marriage. So far the law has only confronted Christians, but there are certainly other groups whose beliefs oppose it.
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jar
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Message 1253 of 1258 (835842)
07-02-2018 12:05 PM
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07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
Yawn.

If your beliefs oppose same sex marriage then don't marry someone of your same sex. But your problems and perversions are not relevant to society.


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Message 1254 of 1258 (835845)
07-02-2018 1:06 PM
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07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
See how far you get pushing Muslims...

Theocracy envy. Sad, and quite transparent.


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PaulK
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Message 1255 of 1258 (835850)
07-02-2018 2:38 PM
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07-02-2018 11:51 AM


Re: Belief vs Reality
If there is no problem with gays in general, why the pushback against insurance cover for gay partners? Even if they had a recognised civil partnership ?

If there was ever a compromise to be reached short of gay marriage, things like that killed it. And that’s on the “Christians”


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Message 1256 of 1258 (835884)
07-03-2018 11:53 AM
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07-02-2018 12:00 PM


Re: Thank God that God hs no standing
Faith writes:

So far the law has only confronted Christians....


It isn't the law confronting Christians. It's Christians confronting the law. And that's Christians confronting Paul.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1257 of 1258 (835890)
07-03-2018 1:30 PM
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07-02-2018 2:38 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
I don't kinow the history of all that but I'd guess it's also about what marriage is and what it's for and not about gays.
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PaulK
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Message 1258 of 1258 (835892)
07-03-2018 1:47 PM
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07-03-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Belief vs Reality
If you don’t follow what’s going on that is your problem.

At least you can stop arguing that a compromise short of recognising gay marriage was possible. It wasn’t.


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