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Taq
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Message 46 of 338 (837886)
08-10-2018 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
08-09-2018 11:23 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Faith writes:

Asians in general come from cultures that value work and personal social responsibility, in other words good candidates for citizenship.

That's not racist at all.

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Message 47 of 338 (837887)
08-10-2018 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:38 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

We don't need more socialists. Isn't that a clear enough idea?

The vast majority of native born Americans are socialists. There is wide support for public education, Social Security, Medicare, and other socialist programs.

Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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Message 48 of 338 (837889)
08-10-2018 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:38 AM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

We don't need more socialists.


Socialism is the natural state of social species.

In humans there is a conflict between individual interests (greed) and collective interests. Doesn't, "Go ye into all the world," suggest that the gospel has a collective component?


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 49 of 338 (837894)
08-10-2018 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Taq
08-10-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Oh well. It's about culture, not race, but there is of course always enough overlap to confuse the poor leftists.
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Faith
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Message 50 of 338 (837895)
08-10-2018 5:43 PM
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08-10-2018 12:23 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
I fail to see how "go ye into all the world" has anything to do with socialism or collectivism. People are saved one by one in all the world.

The gospel does of course have a corporate component, the Church, the Body of Christ, but governing the fallen world is a different kettle of fish.

ABE: If you want to prove socialism from the Bible you should start with the theocracy of Israel. I don't see socialism there, do you? All the tribes had their own land, private property was preserved. Shared property would be where I'd look for a socialist factor but I see a recognition of individual ownership instead.

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Message 51 of 338 (837896)
08-10-2018 5:44 PM
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08-10-2018 11:36 AM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
that's why I said "in general."
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Message 52 of 338 (837899)
08-10-2018 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Faith
08-10-2018 5:41 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
Oh well. It's about culture, not race, but there is of course always enough overlap to confuse the poor leftists.

No confusion. You are a bigot. Your words not mine.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Message 53 of 338 (837900)
08-10-2018 5:58 PM
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08-10-2018 5:54 PM


Re: Trump's Parents-in-Law Use Chain Migration Which He Hates
I guess a bigot is someone who knows how to think then, who knows how to recognize important differences between cultures, ideas, ideologies and so on, whereas leftists have their minds in such a politically correct vise they can't think at all. That's what socialism and communism do to us. Mind control, authoritarian totalitarian mind control: don't you DARE have a thought we've called bigotry or we will
punish you without mercy.

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Message 54 of 338 (837901)
08-10-2018 6:09 PM
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08-10-2018 5:43 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

If you want to prove socialism from the Bible you should start with the theocracy of Israel. I don't see socialism there, do you?


Jubillee.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 55 of 338 (837902)
08-10-2018 6:10 PM
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08-10-2018 6:09 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Jubilee is a law of mercy, has nothing to do with socialism.
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ringo
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Message 56 of 338 (837903)
08-10-2018 6:13 PM
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08-10-2018 6:10 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Jubilee is a law of mercy, has nothing to do with socialism.


Mercy for debts. Redistribution of wealth. A check on rampant greed.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 57 of 338 (837904)
08-10-2018 6:15 PM
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08-10-2018 6:13 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Yes a check on rampant greed, a NONSOCIALISTIC check on rampant greed. We don't need socialism, there are better ways of dealing with such things and the law of mercy is a major one. The Bible has many admonitions against the exploitation of the poor by the rich and general restraints on the rich without anything remotely like socialism.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 58 of 338 (837905)
08-10-2018 6:20 PM
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08-10-2018 6:13 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all, no coercion as in socialistic systems that control and oppress everybody, but simply forgiveness and mercy through obedience to God.

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ringo
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Message 59 of 338 (837908)
08-10-2018 6:30 PM
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08-10-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

There is no "redistribution of wealth" there at all...


Of course there is. Don't be silly. The whole point was to prevent people from being financially ruined forever. The money they would have paid was kept for their own (more productive) use.

Faith writes:

...no coercion as in socialistic systems that control everybody....


You're making a strawman of socialism.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 60 of 338 (837909)
08-10-2018 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Faith
08-10-2018 6:15 PM


Re: Conservative Cal Thomas (on a conservative site townhall.com) said this:
Faith writes:

Yes a check on rampant greed, a NONSOCIALISTIC check on rampant greed.


Socialism done in a non-socialistic way? Or maybe you just have the wrong idea of what socialism is.

Edited by ringo, : spellinge


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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