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Message 1321 of 1352 (814879)
07-13-2017 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1320 by Faith
07-13-2017 1:27 PM


Re: Thinkity Thinking about Living in a Depositional Environment
I was going along with your scenario just to be pleasant, but by now I've lost all interest, sorry. In reality it's obvious that nothing could have lived where the sediments were deposited over thousands of square miles that became the strata in the Geological Column. Nothing could have been living already from the previous deposition, and nothing could have evolved from anything previous for that reason and even if something did live it would have been buried by the next deposit. Thinkity thinking should get all that across.

I thinkity think that you refer to an alternate reality and your only reaction to Stile is denial.

Not very respectful, actually.


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Message 1322 of 1352 (814881)
07-13-2017 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1319 by Faith
07-13-2017 1:21 PM


Re: Strata (3)
Nothing evolved or microevolved during the year of the Flood. All that happened during the Flood was that living things died and were buried in layers of sediment. Whatever groups of trilobites existed got carried in sediments and buried.

A rather limited view of the greatest catastrophe ever visited upon the earth...

The only life on the planet at the end of the Flood was whatever had survived on the ark plus some sea life.

Where are the pre-flood cities, artifacts and trace fossils?
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Message 1323 of 1352 (814882)
07-13-2017 1:39 PM
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07-13-2017 1:37 PM


Re: Strata (3)
Buried very very deep.
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Message 1324 of 1352 (814883)
07-13-2017 1:59 PM
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07-13-2017 1:39 PM


Re: Strata (3)
Buried very very deep.

So, you don't actually have any evidence for them, yes?

They are nowhere exposed on the earth even though we have some of the oldest rocks exposed at the surface. Right?


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Message 1325 of 1352 (814893)
07-13-2017 2:54 PM
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07-13-2017 1:59 PM


Re: Strata (3)
As usual changing the subject is the method of my opponents. Yes it's a wild guess, off the cuff. I've argued for the Flood sufficiently already, the rest will eventually fall in place. We've got a stack of flat sedimentary rocks originally about three miles deep, clearly deposited in water as individual layers and not accumulated over time, many covering thousands of square miles of flat flat flat flattity flatness with nary a sign of former surface life, containing all the dead things that the Flood was supposed to kill.

We know there was a Flood. We know roughly when it occurred. We know its purpose was to kill all things that lived on the land except the few preserved on a large boat. All the evidence shows exactly that.

Imputing millions of years of living things to a rock is nonsensical. There really is no need to consider other factors.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1326 of 1352 (814895)
07-13-2017 3:01 PM
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07-13-2017 1:31 PM


Re: Thinkity Thinking about Living in a Depositional Environment
Yes, and I do apologize to Stile. I lost track of that discussion and I'm sorry I left him in the lurch. But I'm just not up to continuing it right now. Also he was making the case for slow accumulation of sediments (and doing a pretty good job of it IMO), but the actual appearance of the actual strata is of continuous deposition by water: flat surfaces, many with very tight contacts that wouldn't have occurred if uppermost on the surface for millions of years, even under water, rapid compaction by weight accumulated above too, which in Stile's scenario occurred after way too much time to be convincing. Etc.
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Message 1327 of 1352 (814896)
07-13-2017 3:13 PM
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07-13-2017 3:01 PM


reality or delusion
Either you are wrong or the world is wrong.

The world is not wrong, unless you think it is all a conjob by your joker god.

Therefore you.are.wrong.

The earth is OLD get used to it.

Enjoy


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Message 1328 of 1352 (814898)
07-13-2017 3:18 PM
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07-13-2017 3:13 PM


Re: reality or delusion
Either you are wrong or the God who made it all is wrong. No contest RAZD. He even kindly gave us a written history so that we wouldn't have to depend on our fallen minds as you all do, stumbling around in the dark as you do. Wisdom would take Him at His word. As scripture says, "Let every man be a liar, but God be true."

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1329 of 1352 (814899)
07-13-2017 3:23 PM
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07-13-2017 3:18 PM


Re: reality or delusion
so you pick the conjob by the joker god/s

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Message 1330 of 1352 (814900)
07-13-2017 3:25 PM
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07-13-2017 3:23 PM


Re: reality or delusion
Rather you pick the conjob of your own fallen intellect over the revelation of the God who made it all.
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Message 1331 of 1352 (814901)
07-13-2017 3:33 PM
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07-13-2017 2:54 PM


Re: Strata (3)
quote:

I've argued for the Flood sufficiently already, the rest will eventually fall in place.

Indeed you have shown that the Flood is a ridiculous falsehood. For the rest of us everything else had fallen into place - the old Earth and evolution make sense of what we see where the Flood utterly fails.

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We've got a stack of flat sedimentary rocks originally about three miles deep, clearly deposited in water as individual layers and not accumulated over time, many covering thousands of square mile

In reality we have rocks - which are sometimes far from flat even in areas we have discussed, and not all deposited by water. We have clear evidence that they were deposited over long periods of time. Maybe you will some day catch up with the exciting new developments of the 19th Century

quote:

We know there was a Flood. We know roughly when it occurred. We know its purpose was to kill all things that lived on the land except the few preserved on a large boat. All the evidence shows exactly that.

Perhaps you can tell us what evidence gives us even a "rough" date for the Flood in line with your expectations. As for the rest the evidence that you refer to clearly does not show any such thing.

quote:

Imputing millions of years of living things to a rock is nonsensical. There really is no need to consider other factors.

Your evidence "for" the Flood clearly supports the old Earth and evolution. That certainly seems worth considering to me.


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Message 1332 of 1352 (814902)
07-13-2017 3:38 PM
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07-13-2017 3:33 PM


Re: Strata (3)
All the strata were originally laid down flat. Many were distorted afterward by tectonic forces that bent and twisted them -- all in blocks that show it occurred after they were all laid down. Sorry, the Flood is the best explanation for it all no matter what delusions have captured your imagination.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 1333 of 1352 (814903)
07-13-2017 3:54 PM
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07-13-2017 3:38 PM


Re: Strata (3)
I note that you do not offer any evidence for even roughly dating the Flood to the time you suppose it happened. You claimed to have it. What is it ?

quote:

All the strata were originally laid down flat. Many were distorted afterward by tectonic forces that bent and twisted them -- all in blocks that show it occurred after they were all laid down.

Unfortunately for you there are places where later strata were clearly laid down after the strata were folded - sometimes long after. And we have discussed examples.

quote:

Sorry, the Flood is the best explanation for it all no matter what delusions have captured your imagination.

We have solid dating evidence, you dismiss it on grounds that are clearly invalid.

We have the order in the fossil record, which you have no sensible explanation for.

We have clear evidence of tectonic forces bending the rocks before later strata were deposited - and large amounts of erosion between the events.

We have desert deposits.

We have evapourites deposited during your "Flood"

We have lava flows that spread under the air, not the water.

It is those who would try to pretend that this evidence does not exust who are deluded.


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Faith
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Message 1334 of 1352 (814904)
07-13-2017 4:03 PM
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07-13-2017 3:54 PM


Re: Strata (3)
All I need is the Bible for the timing. God's word you know. I give other kinds of evidence where there is no Biblical information.

The only places there seem to be strata laid down after tectonic disturbance are angular unconformities which I've explained as occurring after those strata were laid down.


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Message 1335 of 1352 (814905)
07-13-2017 4:10 PM
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07-13-2017 4:03 PM


Re: Strata (3)
quote:

All I need is the Bible for the timing. God's word you know. I give other kinds of evidence where there is no Biblical information.

In other words you claimed to have evidence you did not have.

quote:

The only places there seem to be strata laid down after tectonic disturbance are angular unconformities which I've explained as occurring after those strata were laid down.

Well, you invented crazy nonsense to avoid admitting that you were wrong, but that's all.

And then there's all the other evidence that the Flood fails to explain - and more than I listed in my previous post. Dismiss it if you want to put your interpretation of the Bible first, but at least be honest about it.


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