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Message 31 of 114 (804942)
04-14-2017 11:46 AM
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04-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Hence I would suggest, He is RIGHT evolution doesnt have anything to do with the origins of life, or the origins of the laws of life and non life.

You have no need to suggest it like it's an original or contested point, everyone here will tell you that evolution tells us nothing about the origins of life. That's a totally different subject as you have been told many times.

As for the origins of non-life, well that's a weird one even for you.


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Message 32 of 114 (804948)
04-14-2017 12:05 PM
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04-14-2017 11:41 AM


Re: Very Poor Cats Eye
To exist, intelligence has to come from an intelligent non random source.

According to that logic, God cannot be intelligent if he didn't come from an intelligent non random source.

God is ETERNAL, God or if you like Jesus was the ALPHA and OMEGA, and as He said always was.

Okay, then by your argument God is not intelligent. Intelligence has to come from an intelligent non random source and God didn't come from anything so He cannot be intelligent by definition.

Evolution as Percy says has no idea when life was created or when much less why.

Back to the topic and showing that laws were created at one time, by the Lord, the Creator as evolutionists are admitting that evolution has nothing to say about the origins of life or the origins of the laws.

They can theorise if they choose, but they if consistent with their wild unproven theory, should only say, its all by chance, and most likely hapened or evolved step by step with each successive law, being selected by a mutational law change, until magically all laws balanced out and made life viable all by chance.

You are seriously confused; Evolution is a theory in Biology. Its processes don't really get applied to Astrophysics.

It's pretty dumb to talk about physical laws evolving according the the Theory of Evolution.

And also, the laws of nature are static, not changing. So of course they don't "evolve".

And, they exist at all points in time - so they didn't come from anything.


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Message 33 of 114 (804952)
04-14-2017 12:10 PM
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04-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
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Selection ONLY works if there is a magic beneficial mutation.

Which is why all the dinosaurs are still here.

You just can't resist posting really stupid comments can you?

Are you trying to make Christianity look stupid or only Christians look stupid?

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Message 34 of 114 (804955)
04-14-2017 1:20 PM
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04-14-2017 12:10 PM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Are you trying to make Christianity look stupid or only Christians look stupid?

To be fair to the other Christians on this board, I think he doing an effective job at mostly just making himself look stupid.


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Message 35 of 114 (805013)
04-15-2017 12:42 AM
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04-14-2017 12:05 PM


Re: Cats Eye Admits Evolution is only a theory in Biology
HereIN on this thread, we have consistently heard from evolutionists who say their evolutionary theory has no basis in any other field of science. They say their theory only involves what is already alive and kicking, and has nothing to do with the oringinal creation, just the manipulation of that creation by luck and chance.

But now Cats Eye is telling us a new supposed fact about evolution..... and this TOPIC about Laws of the UNIVERSE

"You are seriously confused; Evolution is a theory in Biology. Its processes don't really get applied to Astrophysics.

It's pretty dumb to talk about physical laws evolving according the the Theory of Evolution.

And also, the laws of nature are static, not changing. So of course they don't "evolve".

And, they exist at all points in time - so they didn't come from anything.

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Read it again, because evolutionists just say, laws were just magically there from the BEGINNING. They have never evolved, just poof BANG in some mysterious past time when there was no time, they just are.

Thats OK, as they are entitled to their religion, for they cant explain the laws nor the origin of life, nor know how everything in life fits together. They have no credability outside the halls of evolutionary theory. They plead ignorance in other fields of science. I agree, they dont know.

The laws to them just found stability through I quess luck and chance. The Universe's homeostasis, just is.... as you can almost hear them

Ummmmmmmmmm .......Ummmmmmmmm........

OK I have proven my point, evolutionists dont know about the laws of the Universe or how they came about so luckily by so called accident, they only know about the so called lucky balance and homeostasis of living things that came about by accident and mistake and of course LUCK.

I or we can refer to this lack of knowledge or laws by evolutionists in future posts

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Message 36 of 114 (805018)
04-15-2017 1:08 AM
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04-15-2017 12:42 AM


Re: Cats Eye Admits Evolution is only a theory in Biology
Well, that was fatuous gibberish, wasn't it?

And then you guys wonder why normal people don't take you seriously.


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Message 37 of 114 (805041)
04-15-2017 7:40 AM
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04-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

But let me get back to the TOPIC, its laws. And honest Percy admits evolution hasn;t a clue about the origin of life, nor about what or who created the laws.

Hence I would suggest, He is RIGHT evolution doesnt have anything to do with the origins of life, or the origins of the laws of life and non life.

Consequently all evolutionists can honestly say HERE is that , they have no idea. To this I agree 100 percent

This isn't accurate. The theory of evolution is about how species change over time, not about the origin of life, but there are many hypotheses about the origin of life. We may never know precisely how it happened, there's little evidence left after 4 billion years, but we're pretty sure it involved replication and selection. Like evolutionary change, the origin of life was likely gradual, and the boundary between the origin of life and actual life uncertain.

Why all the discussion about biological evolution? What about your topic about whether the laws of the physical universe evolve? The evidence we have thus far suggests that they don't.

--Percy


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Message 38 of 114 (805042)
04-15-2017 7:45 AM
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04-15-2017 7:40 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Percy writes:

What about your topic about whether the laws of the physical universe evolve? The evidence we have thus far suggests that they don't.

I would suggest one small qualifier and point out that not all the properties came into existence at one time although they did originate very rapidly. For example the properties of matter did not originate until some time after the Big Bang when matter first formed.


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Message 39 of 114 (805085)
04-15-2017 12:06 PM
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Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
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Selection ONLY works if there is a magic beneficial mutation.


No. Selection only removes the worst mutations. The short-legged zebras can't run as fast so they're the ones that get eaten. The ones that survive don't have to have super-powers.
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Message 40 of 114 (805281)
04-17-2017 8:50 AM
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04-15-2017 12:42 AM


Re: Cats Eye Admits Evolution is only a theory in Biology
OK I have proven my point, evolutionists dont know about the laws of the Universe or how they came about so luckily by so called accident, they only know about the so called lucky balance and homeostasis of living things that came about by accident and mistake and of course LUCK.

I or we can refer to this lack of knowledge or laws by evolutionists in future posts


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Message 41 of 114 (805283)
04-17-2017 10:09 AM
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Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
No. Selection only removes the worst mutations.

Although unfortunately, it is not foolproof. Which is why we have to deal with people like Davidjay.


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Message 42 of 114 (805284)
04-17-2017 10:14 AM
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Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
That genetic determinism in your comment tho.
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Message 43 of 114 (805286)
04-17-2017 10:25 AM
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04-13-2017 11:58 AM


Re:The Big Bang was slow expansion, JOKE
Watch this brethren, The double speak of evolutionists has hit an all time HIGH in ridicuolousness, as they now say, the Big Bang was not an explosion but an inflation, and expansion, organized and nice that just happened to create life. This is double speak and evasive and ridiculous.

The Big Bang, the term originating as one of ridicule by Fred Hoyle, was not an explosion but a very rapid expansion, especially the period of inflation. (Hoyle preferred a steady state theory of the universe.)

--Percy End of Percy's quote)

No they actually do believe this hocus pocus of expansion or inflation. It wasnt uncontrolled and random, but a nice slow inflation, expansion.

That brethren is total linguistic double speak, to make their origins of life, seem rational and believeable for their desperate authors of their desperate made up faith.

So do also notice, that the same principle of luck permeates cosmotology so that evolutionists do have links to other theoretical non scientists. In other words they have sister churches in different branches of the FAITH. What is their faith in... LUCK. A lucky slow expansion inflation caused by they not not what, but it wasn't a BIG Bang, it was a slow controled Bang --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Its laughable, but its only because evolutionists have never thought through their disjointed theory of LUCK and CHANCE, and so want to make it sound scientific. But they again fail....


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Message 44 of 114 (805287)
04-17-2017 10:52 AM
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04-17-2017 10:25 AM


Re: Re:The Big Bang was slow expansion, JOKE
Its laughable, but its only because evolutionists have never thought through their disjointed theory of LUCK and CHANCE, and so want to make it sound scientific. But they again fail....

What is it that you think you are doing here?

Do you honestly believe you can convince us that we think something that we don't by telling us on the internet that we do think it?

Are you insane?


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Message 45 of 114 (805290)
04-17-2017 11:18 AM
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04-17-2017 10:25 AM


Re: Re:The Big Bang was slow expansion, JOKE
Davidjay writes:

Watch this brethren, The double speak of evolutionists has hit an all time HIGH in ridicuolousness, as they now say, the Big Bang was not an explosion but an inflation, and expansion, organized and nice that just happened to create life.
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...but it wasn't a BIG Bang, it was a slow controled Bang.

The evidence indicates that the Big Bang was not an explosion into space but a very rapid expansion of space.

There is no connection between the Big Bang and the origin of life on Earth - the Big Bang occurred billions of years before the Earth even existed.

--Percy


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