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Tanypteryx
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Message 46 of 114 (805293)
04-17-2017 11:26 AM
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04-17-2017 10:25 AM


Re: Re:The Big Bang was slow expansion, JOKE
So do also notice, that the same principle of luck permeates cosmotology so that evolutionists do have links to other theoretical non scientists.

So, it turns out you are so misinformed that you can't even misspell cosmotology properly. It's cosmetology, Dimwit. Unless you really did mean CAR COSMOTOLOGY.

You probably meant this: Cosmetology: Branches of specialty include hairstyling, skin care, cosmetics, manicures/pedicures, non permanent hair removal such as waxing and sugaring and permanent hair removal processes such as electrology and Intense Pulsed Light (IPL).

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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Message 47 of 114 (805294)
04-17-2017 11:30 AM
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04-17-2017 10:09 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.

So lets discuss this God of Choice called SELECTION in a new Proposed Topic.... as it is the supposed non random diety that picks among the mistakes which mistakes will survive and flourish and recreate a Kind or Species to give it new life.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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jar
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Message 48 of 114 (805296)
04-17-2017 11:36 AM
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04-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.

Sorry David but once again you are simply showing your utter ignorance. No one but ignorant Creationists suggest selection is a God of Choice or that there is anything divine about either the fact of evolution or the Theory of Evolution. You can continue to try to market your picayune little god but ain't no honest person buying.


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Message 49 of 114 (805310)
04-17-2017 1:35 PM
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04-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.

If that was the case, no species would become extinct.

But science shows that:

More than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species, that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct.

Wiki

So you're wrong once more.


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Message 50 of 114 (805314)
04-17-2017 3:38 PM
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04-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.

Am I the only one that finds it ironic (and amusing) that Davidjay uses a condescending and mocking tone in his description of evolution, citing phrases like 'god of choice' and 'divine choice'? Yet his worldview believes in an invisible sky-daddy, talking snakes, leaving the world in the hands of two horny teenagers and referencing passages from a book that condones slavery, stoning (not the good kind) and selling your daughter to the highest bidder?

And this is why I love the internet. It allows a form of free comedy to manifest that otherwise wouldn't exist in our day to day lives.


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Message 51 of 114 (805319)
04-17-2017 3:59 PM


Blargh
We're conversing with an ex-cult member of Children of God and The Family -- cults whose members are well-known for their relentless proselytizing and deeply suspect evangelizing tactics (not to mention, of course, the sex abuse and pedophilia). The guy is delusional and psychotic.
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Message 52 of 114 (805320)
04-17-2017 4:22 PM
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04-17-2017 3:59 PM


Re: Blargh
We're conversing with an ex-cult member of Children of God and The Family -- cults whose members are well-known for their relentless proselytizing and deeply suspect evangelizing tactics (not to mention, of course, the sex abuse and pedophilia). The guy is delusional and psychotic.

Interesting, that explains a lot. He makes strange errors, he is autocratic toward everybody, he sounds addled one minute and then at least seems to have a point of view the next. I'm kind of curious what he thinks he can prove about Daniel 9, but not all THAT curious.

Just happened to find one site complaining about him, one of many though:
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswers/2009/12-01.html


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Message 53 of 114 (805323)
04-17-2017 5:10 PM
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04-17-2017 4:22 PM


Re: Blargh
Also see here: https://groups.able2know.org/xfamily/topic/333-1

"If anyone remembers me, from my time in the COG [Children of God] and then the Family, do write me. I have still gone on with the Lord and missionary work, and so canl;t stay on this research board as they are anti-Christian but I can be reached at Davidjayjordan@yahoo.com And I do hope to hear from you... to talk about old times and present times and our future times together.

I joined in Bromely England 71, left after afew months rejoined in Vancouver canada in 72, to washington, California, then Texas, Arizona, to... Australia, New Zealand, Fiji.... and then onto the Philippines where I got married and we have had five kids.. got excommunicated...for reporting F atrocities and eventually came back to Canada."


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Message 54 of 114 (805326)
04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Which leaves me asking the same question, why are we arguing with fruitloops?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 55 of 114 (805328)
04-17-2017 7:00 PM
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04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Not so much arguing as using fruitloops as a counterpoint to reality.
Tangle writes:

Which leaves me asking the same question, why are we arguing with fruitloops?

It's less an issue of trying to argue with any of the fruitloops but rather using them as a tool to introduce evidence that some reading these threads may not know that shows that the fruitloops are not simply ignorant but rather willfully ignorant and dishonest.

It is a wonderful opportunity to post direct evidence in support of reality and reason in the face of superstition and fantasy. Whether the topic is geology or biology or theology, the antidote to fruitloops is to provide the direct evidence to refute their nonsense.


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Message 56 of 114 (805367)
04-18-2017 7:30 AM
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04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Hey, Faith has been around for a long time.
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Message 57 of 114 (805408)
04-18-2017 12:15 PM
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04-17-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Evolution doesnt deal with origins of laws or life !
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists also have double speak in suggesting that SELECTION is their God of CHOICE, that uses its divine choice in picking the right mutation for the right environment.


You really should think about it.

1. The short-legged zebras are more likely to be eaten by lions because they can't run as fast. Do you understand that?

2. Therefore, the short-legged zebras are less likely to reproduce before being eaten so the short-legged gene is less likely to be passed on. Do you understand that?

It's the lions that are doing the selecting.


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Message 58 of 114 (805409)
04-18-2017 12:18 PM
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04-17-2017 6:10 PM


Tangle writes:

Which leaves me asking the same question, why are we arguing with fruitloops?


We eat fruitloops for breakfast. It's our staple diet.
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Message 59 of 114 (805545)
04-19-2017 8:27 AM
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04-18-2017 12:18 PM


Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
Evolutionists as per usual, speak with forked tongues, as they cant figure out when the laws of the Universe came about, to them the general agreement is that they were just there.

Why because they admit, it makes no sense that they evolved, or have changed with time or conditions, they just are.

In other words, they have always been, and are ETERNAL.

This MYSTERY IS SOLVED, even though it should have been no mystery.

Evolution did not creat any LAWS (it just violates them because it is not science)

This thread can be summarized now, as PROVEN

Laws were created !!


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 60 of 114 (805546)
04-19-2017 8:30 AM
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Re: Conifrmed...Laws were not by chance
wut
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