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Message 286 of 391 (808803)
05-13-2017 8:45 AM
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05-13-2017 8:37 AM


Re: See no one protested your demonic transitional pic
I usually let these discussions continue as long as the jabs at each other are done with humor and class rather than vindictiveness and vitriol.

Just warning everyone to stick close to the Forum Guidelines and show each other respect.


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    Message 287 of 391 (808878)
    05-14-2017 10:25 AM
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    05-13-2017 8:45 AM


    Re: Are we all against racism ?
    Agreed, the demonic transition pic was not done in class or in the spirit of honest debate.

    But lets get back to how and why evolution is a racist doctrine.

    First of all, I would hope ALL of us deem racism as negative.

    Most moral people do, but that is our supposed value judgment HERE and on which I have proceeded further from. Racism as negative and against our human values of cooperation and even survival.... is our GIVEN

    Right ? Or do some evolutionists disagree with this statment against racism.

    I think not, so our judgment or moral I assume is that ALL of us are against racism ?

    Unless someone steps out of the shadows and posts their agreement with racism.

    Lets allow time for posters now to discern their thoughts and value and see if we all agree that we ALL are against racism.


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    Message 288 of 391 (808897)
    05-14-2017 4:45 PM
    Reply to: Message 287 by Davidjay
    05-14-2017 10:25 AM


    evolution is not a social judgement system
    As far as I know we are all against racism, although some posters unintentionally show some institutional racist tendencies.

    But lets get back to how and why evolution is a racist doctrine.

    Indeed. Please show us why you think this statement can possibly be true.

    Exhibit A

    First, I say this because racism is a judgment that one whole group is superior or inferior to another whole group ...

    ie -- that (allA) are inherently better than (allB)

    ... and evolution deals with individuals, not whole groups.

    Second, I say this because evolution makes no social or moral judgements, positive or negative.

    Third, I say this because what evolution "says" is that some traits are better for survival and reproduction than other traits in certain ecologic conditions, and that as a result individuals having these traits will likely produce more offspring than the others. But it also "says" that those other traits are better at survival and reproduction in different ecological conditions leading to different benefits for the individuals.

    ... so how can evolution be racist when "being better" depends of which ecological conditions is involved?

    • black mice "better adapted" than tan mice on lava beds
      -- vs --
    • tan mice "better adapted" than black mice on sandy soil
      -- vs --
    • black mice equally adapted as tan mice on green moss covered ground?

    Is one race/variety superior to the other?

    Exhibit B

    Being tall is an advantage in some conditions, such as reaching things on high shelves and playing basketball.

    ... so you see a lot of tall people playing basketball ...

    Being short is an advantage in some conditions, such as riding on airplanes in comfort, and fighting your way through thick jungle growth.

    The variations in height exist because there are a variety of conditions where differences in height have different benefits.

    But neither tallness nor shortness are "racial" traits, which are actually population traits related to closer common ancestry than the general population, as shortness and tallness traits exist in all purported racial groupings. Other traits are just as mixed across "racial" lines.

    So Please show us why you think your statement about evolution can possibly be true ... you've made 63 posts in a thread where you made this silly claim.

    Enjoy


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    Message 289 of 391 (808899)
    05-14-2017 4:49 PM
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    04-15-2017 1:07 AM


    False Premise leads to Invalid Conclusions
    For evolution teaches that a species or kind divides from its original species into a new viable species. Or in human terms .....a better species or kind of human... a superior human race.

    Ah, I see your argument is all based on a single false premise and a failure to understand the process of evolution.

    Enjoy


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    Message 290 of 391 (808915)
    05-14-2017 9:15 PM
    Reply to: Message 279 by Davidjay
    05-11-2017 12:44 PM


    Re: We have the transitionals, no you have monsters
    Maybe, as you evolutionists get further and further out of control with every post, and rather than apologising or suggesting your evolutionary friends cease, you encourage them further.....

    What do you mean you evolutionists? Isn't that kinda "racist"?

    For your only discussions are subjective and denails as you have no truths, no math, no explanations, you just have luck and chance...and wierd monsters in your mind.

    Well fuck you, asshole. How dare you lie about me!

    Please chide bluegenes or join him in his foolishness and wrath.

    No, your request is denied until you learn some respect.

    Thanks for showing that intelligence and design wins.

    And that's how you not do it, jerk.

    Evolution is a racist doctrine

    Your mom is a racist doctrine.


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    Message 291 of 391 (808924)
    05-14-2017 11:20 PM
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    05-14-2017 9:15 PM


    Re: We have the transitionals, no you have monsters
    Well fuck you, asshole. How dare you lie about me!

    I have always thought "Fuck you, asshole....Strong letter to follow." was more pithy, just sayin'.


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    Message 292 of 391 (808943)
    05-15-2017 7:32 AM
    Reply to: Message 287 by Davidjay
    05-14-2017 10:25 AM


    Re: Are we all against racism ?
    Davidbat writes:

    Agreed, the demonic transition pic was not done in class or in the spirit of honest debate.

    How would you know what that is?

    Davidjay writes:

    First of all, I would hope ALL of us deem racism as negative.

    You are a supporter and promoter of the Old Testament, which is a racist, pro-genocide tract. You are anti- Midianite.

    Davidjay writes:

    Most moral people do, but that is our supposed value judgment HERE and on which I have proceeded further from. Racism as negative and against our human values of cooperation and even survival.... is our GIVEN

    Moses, your lawgiver, would not agree.

    quote:

    And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

    13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

    14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

    15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

    16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

    17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

    18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


    Just like the Islamic State people recently.

    Davidjay writes:

    Right ? Or do some evolutionists disagree with this statment against racism.

    I think not, so our judgment or moral I assume is that ALL of us are against racism ?

    Unless someone steps out of the shadows and posts their agreement with racism.

    I think you should step out of the shadows, David, and admit that this thread has been a low attempt by you to conceal your own racism by accusing others.

    You are also clearly anti-bat.

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    Message 293 of 391 (808945)
    05-15-2017 7:39 AM
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    05-14-2017 11:20 PM


    True story
    Long long ago in a land far far away (but just south of San Buenaventura) I was involved in designing and building the Cable System. Now way back then there were people called the Willful Ignorant who knew all the facts but all the facts they knew happened to be wrong. One fact they knew was that the cable system would suck all the TV signals out of the air so their rooftop antennas would stop working. And they knew that the cables carried radiation and that radiation was bad. And they knew that the Cable Company put subliminal messages into the signal so that their kids would all become atheists and hippies and they knew...

    One of my jobs was to talk at public hearings and try to explain reality and why everything they knew was true was false. At one public meeting as I was walking up to the podium a lady stood up, said I was just a liar and hit me with her purse. I swear she must have had ten thousand dollars in pennies in there 'cause it felt like hitting the bottom after a wipe out.

    Anyway, the next day I got another anonymous letter that opened; "Dear Son of a Bitch" and closed "Nasty Letter to Follow".

    Yet we are now nearly 300 messages into this stupid thread and Davidjay has still never presented any evidence or reasoning that would support what he knows to be true, that evolution is a racist doctrine.

    I just hope he does not also have a purse full of pennies.


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    Message 294 of 391 (808955)
    05-15-2017 8:37 AM
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    Re: True evolutionists are afraid to face racism questions
    You can lead a horse to water, but cant make evolutionists drink. They refuse, which is why they are so thristy and complaining.

    http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Proveit.html

    So again I ask, do we all agree that racism is wrong and immoral and unjust ? Why are evolutionists so afraid to speak up and be counted morally. Have they no values ?

    They lobe to talk about branching and treeshrews as our ancestors, but dont want to discuss that supposed branching of humans supports the immorality of racism.

    Have evolutionists choosen a mutation in their brain that causes them to have fear and trembling when answering moral questions or scientific ones ?


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    .


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    Message 295 of 391 (808956)
    05-15-2017 8:41 AM
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    05-14-2017 9:15 PM


    Re: We have the transitionals, no you have monsters
    Well fuck you, asshole. How dare you lie about me!

    The outer covering has come off.... but do remember that such lanquage is surely against the rules HERE.......

    And just because I differ with you, and disapproved of the demonic pic being posted does not make me an 'asshole'

    Please control yourself....


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    .


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    Message 296 of 391 (808957)
    05-15-2017 8:47 AM
    Reply to: Message 294 by Davidjay
    05-15-2017 8:37 AM


    Re: True evolutionists are afraid to face racism questions
    Yet we are now even closer to 300 messages into this stupid thread and Davidjay has still never presented any evidence or reasoning that would support what he knows to be true, that evolution is a racist doctrine.

    Yet another example of Davidjay's refusal to actually discuss even his own topics.

    What a loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Message 297 of 391 (808966)
    05-15-2017 9:35 AM
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    05-15-2017 8:47 AM


    Re: True evolutionists are afraid to face racism questions
    Jar, If this thread is stupid, why are you on it....... wouldnt that make you more stupid ?

    But anyway, because you dont understand logic which is mathematical... let me repeat my answer to you..

    *******************************

    You can lead a horse to water, but cant make evolutionists drink. They refuse, which is why they are so thristy and complaining.
    http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Proveit.html

    So again I ask, do we all agree that racism is wrong and immoral and unjust ? Why are evolutionists so afraid to speak up and be counted morally. Have they no values ?

    They love to talk about branching and treeshrews as our ancestors, but dont want to discuss that supposed branching of humans supports the immorality of racism.

    Have evolutionists choosen a mutation in their brain that causes them to have fear and trembling when answering moral questions or scientific ones ?

    Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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    The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

    .


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    Message 298 of 391 (808967)
    05-15-2017 9:38 AM
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    05-15-2017 9:35 AM


    Re: Is Racism immoral ?
    I say racism is wrong and is immoral ?

    Do evolutionists as a whole disagree or is there one evolutionist that agrees with me, that racism is wrong ?

    Lets find out if we agree on this BASIC MORAL VALUE ?

    ISEWEATQ

    Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

    Edited by Davidjay, : Added abbreviations as a probable outcome


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    .


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    Message 299 of 391 (808972)
    05-15-2017 9:46 AM
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    05-15-2017 9:35 AM


    Re: True evolutionists are afraid to face racism questions
    Yet we are now even closer to 300 messages into this stupid thread and Davidjay has still never presented any evidence or reasoning that would support what he knows to be true, that evolution is a racist doctrine.

    Yet another example of Davidjay's refusal to actually discuss even his own topics.

    Soon we will pass 300 and i imagine Davidjay will still have failed to provide any evidence to support his assertion that "Evolution is a racist doctrine".

    I have a VERY high probability of being right since Davidjay has so far NEVER provided support for any of his topics.

    I hold out hope though that Davidjay is not as dumb and dishonest as the God character in Genesis 2&3 but must admit so far his posts have not shown much hope.


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    Message 300 of 391 (808974)
    05-15-2017 9:53 AM
    Reply to: Message 295 by Davidjay
    05-15-2017 8:41 AM


    Re: We have the transitionals, no you have monsters
    The outer covering has come off....

    Bullshit, I wear my heart on my sleeve.

    You, sir, are a dishonest jerk.

    And just because I differ with you, and disapproved of the demonic pic being posted does not make me an 'asshole'

    No shit, Sherlock. It's all the other stuff that makes you an asshole.

    Please control yourself....

    This is me under control, deal with it


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