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Message 91 of 108 (808405)
05-10-2017 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Taq
05-08-2017 5:04 PM


Re: Measure of a man !!!
As mentioned the golden ratio is exact as in EXACT.....

You cant fight it, because it is a law, an exact number, the exact distance ratio of life, of our bodies, of nature, of the solar system, of the LORD.

Does it fit the Solar System, Yes, we have approximation, as mentioned and as already proven, so logically the Sun Earth distances and Light speed must be exactly proportioned according to the Tabernacle of the Sun or Golden Section pyramid.

SEE

Mathematical Proof of the Design of the Solar System
Distances, Diameters, Speeds, Times.

THIS IS A MATHEMATICAL THREAD, AND FOR ONLY THOSE THAT HAVE A MATHEMATICAL LEVEL OF
GRADE SIX TO A DOCTORATE DEGREE IN MATHEMATICS.IT IS NOT FOR THE SHALLOW AND THE FOOLISH,
AS THEY WILL BE LOST AFTER THE FIRST POSTING, AND SHALL THEREFORE BE FRUSTRATED AND
ATTEMPT TO DERAIL THOSE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT THE BASIC TRUTH OF DESIGN IN THE
SOLAR SYSTEM

.For it takes a little study and a little memory and a little conceptualization in your minds. Because we will be studying the ratio,
the mathematical ratio of 'beauty and power' called the Golden Section.Study it and know it by heart and in mind NOW[link to
davidjayjordan.com] OK, lets go over FIRST, the basic diameters of the Earth and Moon before going any further.7920 miles, and
2160 miles...... Got it. Remember this ratio, as you will need to know it later....792 and 216.These are not by chance but by
design, for together they add up to 10080. In other words, the Earth and Moon conjoined together add up to 10080.This should
mean nothing to you, until you study the Golden Section design of a pyramid, a phi pyramid, the ultimate physical temple,
whereas we are the ultimate living temple. Both PHI or GOLDEN SECTIONED DESIGNED.These graphics will make it easier
to see and visualize to cement in your minds that phi pyramids, us and the Earth/Moon are golden section designed.[link to
davidjayjordan.com] Then we shall proceed further and further and further, so that your mind will whirl in confirmations and
design in all areas of science...and you will know that our Solar System is special and divine and divinely ratio-ed and 'Earth is the
Center of the Universe' by DESIGN.Let the discussion and confirmations begin. (Mathematical intelligent people welcome..... as
only the sincere ever seek and find)OK have you got the basic phi ratio established mathematically in your brain... then you
should be able to comprehend this easy to understand application to our Solar System.

Who made the Sun, Moon, and Earth Distances & Ratios ?(from [link to davidjayjordan.com] )

If the Universe and more specifically our Solar System came about randomly and by chance through an undirected chaotic
evolutionary "Big Bang" explosion, then there should be no rhyme or reason or ratio's involved in distances, diameters, speeds and
times between heavenly bodies. But such is NOT the case. So allow me to prove it, for even though this was common knowledge
among the - elite- secret mystery schools of the past, any searching seeking individual in the present can find out these truths
NOT of "Mother Nature" or "Mother Cosmos" but of our common CREATOR.So let’s start by realizing the basic
relationship between the Earth and its only Moon. We know now that its generalized diameter is 7920 miles, with the Moon’s
diameter being 2160 miles. But in the "sacred geometry" known by the ancients, these two distances were added together, 7920 +
2160 gives 10,080 miles. (The center of this distance being the perfect manageable number according to Plato 5040. (7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x
3 x 2 x 1)). But wait a minute 10,080 is 1.272 times greater than 7920 and lo and behold 1.272 is the square root of - phi - or the
square root of the Golden Section, which is the "magical star template'.Yet you might ask, "So what?"

Well, the golden section is NOT only the template of design of our own bodies (See Golden Section class) but also the design
principle involved in PYRAMIDS and the basic-building block of the Earth and computers, CRYSTALS. “You mean, its all
connected ?" That’s right !, there was only One Creator, One Common Designer, that is logic, that’s math, and that’s
scientific law.Slow down, many might say, "You can’t integratively join up all of life and all the cosmos on two numbers."
Well, they would be right, but its Not two numbers but all numbers, all sizes and distances are exactly put in place for divine
preciseness. "What distances, and even times and speeds are SACRED ?" Yes, of course they are for they are interrelated, as
distance equals time multiplied by speed, etc. etc. And the Key to all their inter-relationships is the “Path of the Beautiful�
as the physicists call it and the lines and shapes of Beauty called the "Golden Section".For is it by chance that the MOON is
216,000 miles away from the Earth, 1/100th of its diameter size, and that the Moon’s radiant angle in the sky is the same as
the Sun’s, meaning from our point of view they are equal, even though different in actual sizes. One being the greater or
brighter light and the other being the "lesser light" (Genesis 1). Besides with this design, lunar eclipses are possible, so that when
the moon gets between the sun and the Earth, their circumferences match, and the Moon radiates with the Sun’s rays."Whoa -
wait another minute, you are not saying this Creator person, put the Sun exactly in place or us exactly in place to correlate our
sizes, even to achieve eclipses, are you ?"

The answer is YES. For again it is no coincidence that the Sun is 93,000,000 miles away from us meaning it takes 500 seconds for
light to reach us from there, or light 1000 seconds to reach across our orbital diameter around it. Because light speed is the set
standard of the material world for below it, everything in the material world exists. Therefore as Einstein figured out and others
have known intuitively, light has a "sacred speed" and because we have already shown that there are sacred distances, and now a
scared speed, then of course time is "sacred" meaning every second of time."But seconds are related to speeds are related to
distances?" YES for similarly if you have studied Pyramids, especially the Giza or Great Pyramid, you might realize that it also
had a radius or height of 500 but this time in feet. (Correlate = a year British prophecy). And then when you realize that Giza
with its golden capstone in place would with this height have a base of 792 because of its golden section design, you get right back
to the Earth's number of 792 x 10 = 7920."O.K. b why is 792 a scared measurement you should logically ask?" Because the Lord
s reed or rod carried by the angel was a furlong, and a furlong was 660 feet or 7920 inches, and when the Lord eventually
materializes "New Jerusalem - the Crystal Pyramid Temple" for the Universe it is 12000 furlongs on its sides ( Revelation's 21) or
(12,000 x 660 feet =) 7,920,000 feet. The common denominator is 792, a very special number for very special reasons and it all
points back to the Creator of the Universe….even where he was born. For isn’t the sum total or circumference of 792…3168
and wasn’t the Creator born on that exact latitude of 31.68 (Bethlehem’s exact latitude) in the exact year He was
prophesied to be born. (Daniel 9). (So now I have given away the clues as to the secret of who the Creator was, for it is verifiable
by anyone that truly searches. For He was much more than a man, but the Sun of Righteousness. The Creator had and has a very
specific Name, and is called the Lord of Lords and King of Kings and His Name is JESUS.

In His Scientific Truth Jay

*****************************************************************************************

Page 1 ends, eight more pages to go..... if you want to honestly discern this truth..... It would take about two hours to study and discern and start to understand.. the design of the Solar System


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 92 of 108 (808419)
05-10-2017 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Davidjay
05-10-2017 2:48 PM


Re: Measure of a man !!!
OK, lets go over FIRST, the basic diameters of the Earth and Moon before going any further.7920 miles, and 2160 miles......

Wrong: they are 7,917 miles and 2,159 miles.

God fucked up again, eh?

But wait a minute 10,080 is 1.272 times greater than 7920 and lo and behold 1.272 is the square root of - phi

No, 10080 divided by 7920 is actually 1.273 if you're only going to give it to three decimal places. It is certainly not exactly the square root of phi.

Well, the golden section is NOT only the template of design of our own bodies (See Golden Section class) but also the design
principle involved in PYRAMIDS and the basic-building block of the Earth and computers, CRYSTALS. “You mean, its all
connected ?" That’s right !

No, that's bullshit.

.For is it by chance that the MOON is
216,000 miles away from the Earth, 1/100th of its diameter size

That's a goddamned lie, isn't it? You know perfectly well, because we have told you, that the distance to the moon is 238,900 miles.

For again it is no coincidence that the Sun is 93,000,000 miles away from us meaning it takes 500 seconds for
light to reach us from there, or light 1000 seconds to reach across our orbital diameter around it.

Again, you goddamned liar, you know perfectly well that this is a lie.

YES for similarly if you have studied Pyramids, especially the Giza or Great Pyramid, you might realize that it also
had a radius or height of 500 but this time in feet.

The height of the Great Pyramid is 455 feet.

If your religion can only be sustained by telling stupid childish lies, does that not suggest that your religion is shit?

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Message 93 of 108 (808422)
05-10-2017 3:23 PM
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05-10-2017 2:48 PM


Re: Measure of a man !!!
Davidjay writes:

As mentioned the golden ratio is exact as in EXACT.....

That's a lie, as shown by multiple other people in this thread.

If you are so willing to lie about things that are so easily checked, then why should I trust anything you say about God or the Bible? Why would I want to be a Christian when it means believing in lies like you do?


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Message 94 of 108 (808425)
05-10-2017 3:27 PM
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05-10-2017 3:23 PM


Re: Measure of a man !!!
Wow, talk about ******.

See and study math and this exact ratio.....

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en-CA&source=hp&biw=&bih=...

Evolutionists have no math so I can understand why you would be so mad that other fields of science have math and use math, and prove things and DESIGN via math, but denying the 'Golden Section' because you are ignorant of math is outrageous.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 95 of 108 (808426)
05-10-2017 3:30 PM
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05-10-2017 3:27 PM


Re: Measure of a man !!!
Evolutionists have no math

You are a stupid liar.

Whom do you hope to deceive?


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Message 96 of 108 (808427)
05-10-2017 3:33 PM
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05-10-2017 3:27 PM


Re: Measure of a man !!!
Davidjay writes:

See and study math and this exact ratio.....

Let's do. You said:

"7920 +
2160 gives 10,080 miles. (The center of this distance being the perfect manageable number according to Plato 5040. (7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x
3 x 2 x 1)). But wait a minute 10,080 is 1.272 times greater than 7920 and lo and behold 1.272 is the square root of - phi - or the
square root of the Golden Section, which is the "magical star template'."

But that's a lie. The two figures are actually 7917.5 and 2159 which means that those numbers are not exact. You are wrong.


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Message 97 of 108 (808532)
05-11-2017 12:25 PM
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05-10-2017 3:33 PM


Re: Light Speed Design Confirmed
Seeing I have won this debate on light speed, as I have shown that the exact ratio of PHI or the Golden Section does indeed fit into the distances of the Earth from the Sun, and corresponds to the exact PHI measurements of a PHI PYRAMID, as with New Jerusalem and the Great Pyramid HERE on Earth.

SEE and Read and study... the mathematics involved

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/PHIMysteries.html

or

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/MathematicsMysteries.html

The evolutionists absolutely hate this truth of design because they have no math in evolution as it is a theory and not a law.

The golden section is EXACT, even though an intellectually dishonest evolutionists above denies math and its exactness

Golden Section Ratio is

1.61803398874989484820458683436563811772030917980576286213544862270526046281890.........

Does it fit the model of the present day Solar System that was set in place by the Creator as another example of His Template of Creation (Golden Section) Yes !

Do the evolutionists deny deny and deny this. Yes.

Yet the Golden Section is a law, a mathematical exact precise ratio.... denial is not an option. Laws can not be broken, they are and exist.....

The golden section is the ratio of power and beauty, scientifically, geometrically, and mathematically.
It is not subjective, but objective and a TRUTH.

See study and know the proofs of design

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/MathematicalProofs.html

including the Proof of the Solar System Design.

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/MathematicalProofDesign1.html

(11 Pages with diagrams and graphics)

The evolutionists want this thread closed because it further frustrates them that they can not counter these truths, these distamnces, the Golden Section Mathematical Law and application.

All things are by design, not just living biology, but chemistry, distances, time, music, languages, and of course speed. Light Speed is by Design and is not at random, its not just a speed light determined to go at because of its innate properties as the evolutionists believe, but LIGHT SPEED is and was used by the Lord as a basic speed for TIMES DIRECTION, set in place at Creation.

So now you know and are responsible for this truth.

Creation wins again

Jesus wins again

Intelligence wins over unintelligent

Design defeats lack of design

Intelligent Design obviolously wins over evolution and its unintelligent lack of design.

Selah.

Thanks for coming...

(The above is a SUMMATION of mine, as this thread was put in SUMMATION MODE, because I assume I had proven beyond a shadow of a doubt my claim and measurments, even though I have so many more proofs yet to come)

Anyway the responders or evolutionists after this POST SUMMARY of mine, also have only one SUMMARY POST allowed for each of them, although I assume they will try and agree with one another and confirm their denials one for anopther. Their choice.... but do read carefully their remarks and their denials and read the previous posts as well as all my hyperlinks. It should take you about three days, but it would be worth it once you know the Golden Section and the template of LIFE.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 98 of 108 (808550)
05-11-2017 12:59 PM
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Re: Light Speed Design Confirmed
Davidjay writes:

(The above is a SUMMATION of mine, as this thread was put in SUMMATION MODE, because I assume I had proven beyond a shadow of a doubt my claim and measurments, even though I have so many more proofs yet to come)

If you'd bothered to actually read the notice you would have seen that this thread is not yet in summation mode. Summation mode begins tomorrow morning around 9 AM ET. I did this because of your refusal to address the many errors identified in your calculations, but there's still time.


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Message 99 of 108 (808565)
05-11-2017 1:24 PM
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Re: Light Speed Design Confirmed
Seeing I have won this debate on light speed, as I have shown that the exact ratio of PHI or the Golden Section does indeed fit into the distances of the Earth from the Sun ...

You are telling stupid lies again.

We have shown that there is nothing "exact" about your silly numerology.

We know this. You know this. You know we know this.

Whom do you hope to deceive?


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Message 100 of 108 (808615)
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Re: Light Speed Design Confirmed
Davidjay writes:

Does it fit the model of the present day Solar System that was set in place by the Creator as another example of His Template of Creation (Golden Section) Yes !

Do the evolutionists deny deny and deny this. Yes.

Plug 7917.5 and 2159 miles into your formulas and show us how you get exactly the ratios you are claiming.


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Message 101 of 108 (808656)
05-12-2017 4:11 AM


It's 1
The speed of light is exactly one, as nwr mentioned (light travels one unit of space for one unit of time), i.e. it travels 299,792,458 meters in space every 299,792,458 meters in time. We just happen to call 299,792,458 meters in time a "second". Hence we get 299,792,458 m/s.

There is absolutely no meaning to be discovered in the speed of light, as its value is more about how humans define a second.

The real fundamental numbers in physics, the fine structure constant, the strong coupling, e.t.c. Aren't even constant, but functions of Energy (e.g. the electron has a greater electric charge at high energies), so there is nothing to be figured out from their values at our low energies.


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Message 102 of 108 (808667)
05-12-2017 7:48 AM
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05-12-2017 4:11 AM


Re:
Sorry Son Guku, Percy wont allow me to explain and discuss this all important principle about Light speed and the FSC

SEE

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/...eFineStructureConstant.html

Its too devastating for evolutionists when they have to see and then admit design in light's properties, and the inter-related principles of math with distance, speed and time.

For, Percy is closing this RESEARCH THREAD because of my persistence in proving that Light Speed is by Design.

But thats the loss HERE rather than mine because I will be putting it on line.

But as always I will advance the topic because if you google LIGHT SPEED IS EXACT....

https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=nZ0VWYayC8ve8Afwj6zQB...

You find out light speed is directly related to distance.... EXACTLY. Light speed by definition (and design) is related to distance.

Exactly what I have been showing via the distance across the Solar System.

Speed and distance are inter-related, and Light Speed is not a random speed, but created to travel a specific distance in a specific timeframe.

And it all involves the Earths distances.

Meters is not a random measure. I repeat meters is not a random measure, it involves again, the distance or circumference around the Earth. (The Earth is not a random sized planet, it was and is specifically designed with its distances to relate and be proportionate with NJ, and the Great Pyramid, as they also are proportioned.).

A meter is 1 10,000 th of the distance from Pole to Equator.

Feet, miles are all factors and protionate in measuring the Earth, Moon and Sun as well as Giza and NEW Jerusalem.....

Anyway, there is further proof that speed is a function of distance they are intimately connected as I have been saying, and as my research showed and as I have been proving.

Youll have to get Percy to allow this research thread to continue to get more answers, if you seek more truths and want the mathematics.

But sadly evolutionists have no math and know no math and so only post subjective slurs to stop discussions...

And its all PHI Templated, as PHI is the great template of creation.

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 103 of 108 (808669)
05-12-2017 7:54 AM
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05-12-2017 7:48 AM


Re:
A meter is 1 10,000 th of the distance from Pole to Equator.

That would make the distance from the pole to the equator ten kilometers.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 104 of 108 (808682)
05-12-2017 8:52 AM
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05-12-2017 7:54 AM


Re:
10,000,000 typo, just google it.

But thanks for checking out my math, (I was just checking if you were following along) and because I speed type because I have soooo much to do and soooo little time to do it in....

Meters is defined by the Earth's distance

Light speed is defined and relates directly to the Earth's distances

Feet and miles is directly connected to man's design, even though we can not discuss it.... or start a topic on it.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

.


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Message 105 of 108 (808684)
05-12-2017 8:55 AM
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Re:
Davidjay writes:

Sorry Son Guku, Percy wont allow me to explain and discuss this all important principle about Light speed and the FSC

This isn't true. Everyone, including me, is waiting for you to explain something, anything. Your reluctance to do so is why this thread will be entering summation mode in a few minutes.


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