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Faith
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Message 256 of 1311 (809529)
05-18-2017 6:27 PM
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05-18-2017 6:09 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Who's asking you to believe anything? Use your critical thinking: the strata and the fossils are great evidence for a worldwide Flood. The problem is you guys have bought into a really nutty theory about those things and can't see the true situation for what it is.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 257 of 1311 (809530)
05-18-2017 6:29 PM
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05-18-2017 6:07 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
I could see the usefulness of knowing the microevolutionary history which is about all you can know anyway, especially since there is no further history involved.

Nobody believes you.


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 258 of 1311 (809531)
05-18-2017 6:30 PM
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05-18-2017 6:27 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Who's asking you to believe anything? Use your critical thinking: the strata and the fossils are great evidence for a worldwide Flood. The problem is you guys have bought into a really nutty theory about those things and can't see the true situation for what it is.

Nobody believes that either.


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Faith
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Message 259 of 1311 (809532)
05-18-2017 6:30 PM
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05-18-2017 6:09 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Weird. You are quoting me but not the post you are answering.
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Tanypteryx
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Message 260 of 1311 (809550)
05-18-2017 10:20 PM
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05-18-2017 6:07 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Faith writes:

I could see the usefulness of knowing the microevolutionary history which is about all you can know anyway, especially since there is no further history involved.

I don't know what you mean by "since there is no further history involved."

Micro-evolution is actually all there is. We can perform PCR DNA analysis (our lab has that capability) and can see the evolutionary relationships with other species that we have also analyzed. We can produce cladograms that show how groups of close species are related. So, we can see a whole lot of microevolutionary history mapped out.

This evolutionary knowledge helps plan a strategy for a bio-control program. Without this knowledge these sorts of projects could not be successful. One of the interesting things that we see, that was predicted by evolutionary theory, is that the target species is usually not totally eradicated. Once the numbers drop to certain level the populations of target and bio-control enter a phase where they oscillate in a sort of equilibrium. The target population starts to increase and the range expands and then the bio-control population starts to grow. The time frame can be fairly long for the bio-control to ramp up. Ideally, we try to find several different bio-controls that attack different features of the target, for example, eggs, larvae and adults for insects or flowers, foliage, seeds, and roots for plants.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Taq
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Message 261 of 1311 (809603)
05-19-2017 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
05-18-2017 6:27 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Faith writes:

Who's asking you to believe anything?

You seem to be claiming that you want to debate these topics. If that is the case, then the entire purpose of these posts is for people to be convinced by those posts.

When you openly state that any geologic structure you see will be automatically labeled as the result of a recent global flood because that is what your beliefs require you to do, why would anyone be convinced by anything you post on the subject?

Use your critical thinking: the strata and the fossils are great evidence for a worldwide Flood. The problem is you guys have bought into a really nutty theory about those things and can't see the true situation for what it is.

The irony of you asking others to use their critical thinking skills when you purposefully turn yours off is just too amazing to skip over.

Your posts are perhaps the best example of phychological projection I have ever seen. You are projecting your own lack of critical thinking and surrender to dogmatic beliefs onto others as a way of reducing your own internal struggle to deal with these obvious problems.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 262 of 1311 (809607)
05-19-2017 12:52 PM
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05-19-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
The irony of you asking others to use their critical thinking skills when you purposefully turn yours off is just too amazing to skip over.

Your posts are perhaps the best example of phychological projection I have ever seen. You are projecting your own lack of critical thinking and surrender to dogmatic beliefs onto others as a way of reducing your own internal struggle to deal with these obvious problems.

You nailed it!

The oddest part, for me, is the insistence that the reality of the rocks fits her convoluted, self-contradictory hodgepodge reasoning rather than just saying it was magic and the reason reality doesn't fit her fantasy is god wants to mess with us.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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New Cat's Eye
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Message 263 of 1311 (809612)
05-19-2017 1:53 PM
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05-19-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Your posts are perhaps the best example of phychological projection I have ever seen. You are projecting your own lack of critical thinking and surrender to dogmatic beliefs onto others as a way of reducing your own internal struggle to deal with these obvious problems.

Meh, the conviction of their beliefs seems feigned...


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Message 264 of 1311 (809634)
05-19-2017 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Dr Adequate
05-17-2017 8:54 PM


Dr Adequate writes:

Dredge appears to have gone mad ... well, madder.


A recent check-up by his psychiatrist revealed that Dredge is no madder than he was one month ago and that no change in his anti-psychotic medication was required.
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Dredge
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Message 265 of 1311 (809635)
05-19-2017 8:16 PM
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05-17-2017 9:25 PM


Unforunately, there was a breakdown in psychomosotic transfer between Chicko and myself when discussing this matter. Chicko explained that this was due to the fact that I am not qualified to understand the science he offered. If you want to come to Australia and commune with Chicko yourself, you are quite welcome to - if he deems you worthy of communication, that is. And whatever you do, don't jump the fence to get closer to him - he's a big Pitbull and he bites strangers!

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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vimesey
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Message 266 of 1311 (809656)
05-20-2017 1:20 AM
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05-19-2017 8:16 PM


he's a big Pitbull and he bites strangers!

I'd be careful then - it seems likely you'd be guilty of offences under the Domestic Animals Act 1994.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Dredge
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Message 267 of 1311 (809740)
05-20-2017 6:16 PM
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05-18-2017 3:33 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Nice try, but all you're describing is microevolution.  A creationist biologist could potentially tackle any task applied biology throws at him because applied biology operates only at the level of microevolution.  For all intents and purposes, macroevolution exists only in the La La Land of theorectical biology; it's an irrelevance to real-world biology.
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Dredge
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Message 268 of 1311 (809741)
05-20-2017 6:23 PM
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05-17-2017 6:24 PM


Taq writes:

Can you show me another explanation?

I can't, but Chicko could.  Or you could ask the creationist scientists at CMI or AIG; I bet they could shed some light.  Why not write to them and find out?   Seriously.  

No, on second thoughts, don't do that - they might make too much sense and the next thing you know is, you've become a Bible-bashing Jesus-freak creationist loon.

Besides, you should know that in science a theory is accepted only until a better one comes along.  What you consider today to be the "only explanation", might in 1000 years time be considered hopelessly primitive and unenlightened.


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Coyote
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Message 269 of 1311 (809742)
05-20-2017 6:27 PM
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05-20-2017 6:16 PM


Re: Useful applications of evolutionary theory and processes
Nice try, but all you're describing is microevolution. A creationist biologist could potentially tackle any task applied biology throws at him because applied biology operates only at the level of microevolution. For all intents and purposes, macroevolution exists only in the La La Land of theorectical biology; it's an irrelevance to real-world biology.

But you take lots of microevolutions (visualize small steps) and give it a lot of time (which evolution has but YECs don't), and looking back you can see macroevolution (visualize walking from SF to NY).

This is real-world biology, as opposed to YEC belief.


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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

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It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Dredge
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Message 270 of 1311 (809743)
05-20-2017 6:28 PM
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05-18-2017 8:52 AM


New Cat's Eye writes:

if we didn't have the theory of evolution to explain it all.

sigh ... Here we go again - another Darwinist mistaking theory for reality.  Your kind are so hopelessly brainwashed that you can't even tell the difference between a theory and a practical use for a theory.  This is Scientismistic delusion.  Bizarre stuff.


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