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Faith
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Message 811 of 1311 (814956)
07-13-2017 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 808 by dwise1
07-13-2017 10:44 PM


Re: Interesting question...
0 So, genetics actually support evolution.

Only by ignoring the fact that to get new phenotypes requires losing the genetic underpinnings of other phenotypes, for a net loss of genetic diversity as selection continues to create new species. If evolution requires losing genetic diversity eventually evolution has to come to a stop.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Dredge
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Message 812 of 1311 (814957)
07-13-2017 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by Taq
07-13-2017 10:59 AM


Re: define "species"
Dredge writes:
What you consider to be a scientific conclusion is actually an absurd extrapolation - observed small changes mean big changes are possible.
Taq writes:

Can you please point to any post where I used any such extrapolation? You seem to be making stuff up.


After weighing up the evidence you have come to the conclusion that universal common descent is a fact.   But I disagree - it's not a fact, but an absurd extrapolation.

When you feel the need to attack the messenger because you don't like the message, it is a good sign that you can't refute the message.

I think my hypotheis is worth serious consideration:  "This extrapolation was inspired by an hallucination induced by an overdose of peyote that Charles Darwin experienced while in South America. He then used the hallucination as the basis for his first science-fiction novel."  It explains everything.

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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Dredge
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Message 813 of 1311 (814958)
07-13-2017 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 785 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:08 AM


Re: Peppered Moth
Taq writes:

The accumulation of mutations like the one that produced new coloration in moths is exactly the pathway that results in massive biological change.


Thank you for providing this example of you arriving at what you think is a scientific conclusion, but is in fact an absurd extrapolation.
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Dredge
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Message 814 of 1311 (814959)
07-14-2017 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:09 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
Dredge writes:
Talk Origins describes Universal Common Descent as a "hypothesis". So I was wrong to call it a "theory" - way too generous.
Taq writes:

So you admit that Universal Common Descent is scientific?


Not scientific ... rather, atheistic.
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dwise1
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Message 815 of 1311 (814960)
07-14-2017 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by Faith
07-13-2017 11:34 PM


Re: Interesting question...
Faith, please stop pulling your typical crap. We both know that that has been explained to you over and over again and yet you persist in keeping yourself willfully ignorant.

You know I have no patience for the stupid crap that you are pulling, so let's just stop it right here.

Learn something!


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Dredge
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Message 816 of 1311 (814961)
07-14-2017 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 782 by Taq
07-13-2017 11:00 AM


Re: Interesting question...
Dredge writes:
Of course not. An explanation can be true yet useless to applied science.
Taq writes:

Then what are you going on about?


What I'm going on about about is, scientific explanations can be wrong. I like science that produces a practical use, because then you know that the principles involved are more or less correct.
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dwise1
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Message 817 of 1311 (814962)
07-14-2017 12:09 AM
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07-14-2017 12:01 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
Not scientific ... rather, atheistic.

You really like to throw that word around, "atheistic". I have to wonder whether you even have any clue what it means and especially whether you are able to tell whether something is actually atheistic or not.

So then, yet again, explain why you consider that idea to be "atheistic."


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Dredge
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Message 818 of 1311 (814964)
07-14-2017 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 802 by Coyote
07-13-2017 10:07 PM


Re: Funny
Coyote writes:

Science does quite well for itself. It may make errors but it has mechanisms built in to correct those errors.


Except when science is abused as a front for atheistic philosophy, which is what ToE does.
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dwise1
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Message 819 of 1311 (814965)
07-14-2017 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 816 by Dredge
07-14-2017 12:07 AM


Please Learn How to Use the Codes
This is how your quoting should have looked:

Taq writes:

Dredge writes:

Of course not. An explanation can be true yet useless to applied science.

Then what are you going on about?

So you can nest qs quote boxes however deeply you would want to. Click on the Peek button of this message to see how.

Doing it correctly will make your replies much clearer ... except for the poor quality content.

Edited by dwise1, : " ... except for ..."


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Coyote
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Message 820 of 1311 (814966)
07-14-2017 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 818 by Dredge
07-14-2017 12:11 AM


Re: Funny
Except when science is abused as a front for atheistic philosophy, which is what ToE does.

You're getting as bad and irrelevant as DavidJay. Lately you're nothing more than a troll.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Dredge
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Message 821 of 1311 (814967)
07-14-2017 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 817 by dwise1
07-14-2017 12:09 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
dwise1 writes:

So then, yet again, explain why you consider that idea to be "atheistic."


Well, ToE is actually an invention of Satan; but it is transmitted to the world at large by atheists.  Out of the Enlightenment came a tsunami of atheism. It's was only a matter of time before a pseudo-scientific creation story came along to make all these atheists feel "intellectually fulfilled".  It's so obvious.  Why can't you see it?

Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.


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dwise1
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Message 822 of 1311 (814969)
07-14-2017 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 821 by Dredge
07-14-2017 12:25 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
Cut the bullshit!!

Why do you consider it atheistic? Be very specific in giving your reasons.

It's so obvious. Why can't you see it?

What is obvious is how far your head is wedged in and how deeply deluded you are.

Of course, if you truly think that you are not deluded, then you can explain your reasoning in having made your determinations. If you cannot, then you have never actually thought it through and you are deluded.

Show us that you are not deluded.


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Dredge
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Message 823 of 1311 (814970)
07-14-2017 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 820 by Coyote
07-14-2017 12:14 AM


Re: Funny
Coyote writes:

Lately you're nothing more than a troll.


That's not a very nice thing to say. The cult you have willingly joined doesn't like dissenters who shine lights in their dark dungeons. You are childishly deluded if you think the purpose of ToE is to advance science.
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Dredge
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Message 824 of 1311 (814971)
07-14-2017 12:38 AM
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07-14-2017 12:31 AM


Re: Funny -- not really
dwise1 writes:

Cut the bullshit!!


That's not a very nice thing to say.

Why do you consider it atheistic? Be very specific in giving your reasons.

Well, ToE is actually an invention of Satan; but it is transmitted to the world at large by atheists.  Out of the Enlightenment came a tsunami of atheism. It's was only a matter of time before a pseudo-scientific creation story came along to make all these atheists feel "intellectually fulfilled".  It's so obvious.  Why can't you see it?
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Dredge
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Message 825 of 1311 (814974)
07-14-2017 1:33 AM
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07-14-2017 12:13 AM


Re: Please Learn How to Use the Codes
Thanks for the tip.
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