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Phat
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Message 85 of 150 (808806)
05-13-2017 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Taq
05-10-2017 1:12 PM


Evidence vs Revelation
Davidjay writes:
Spiritality is testable, as I mentioned. Jesus is testable as I mentioned, the invisible can be tested.
How is it testable?
This is a good question. How specifically can a theory be tested?
How specifically can a belief be validated?
Is the method the same in both cases?
When science crosses over into faith & belief....or Visa Versa... Is the testing methodology the same?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 110 of 150 (809765)
05-20-2017 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Davidjay
05-03-2017 9:33 AM


The ambassador?
DJJ writes:
I proved Jesus was real, while in University..graduated even when evolutionary profs tried to prevent it, and then went on to be a missionary for Jesus for life...for LIFE< all my life, by the Grace of God. That's over 40 some years as a missionary for Jesus, I know from doing it and not just from the experiences of others. I did it and KNOW JESUS IS REAL
I can give you that. You are claiming to represent Jesus and I won't doubt you...but I WILL question you regarding your claim.
First of all, what would Jesus say to the educated minds at EvC? Would He try to persuade them by calling them stupid?
To find out if someone exists and is a real person, the ultimate test is meeting them.
OK, so all we have to go on to judge your character is what you say to us. Your science is untestable through the usual scientific method, so we have nothing to go on apart from your claim that you have met Jesus and KNOW that He is real. Perhaps we would agree for the sake of argument that Jesus is a great Scientist. Perhaps we could concede that Jesus knows how everything actually happened from the very beginning.
But being as YOU are His representative, we find it puzzling that you are not as calm and rational as we would imagine Him to be.
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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 138 of 150 (811247)
06-06-2017 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by jar
06-06-2017 7:19 AM


TRUTH
wiki writes:
Vissarion was born in Krasnodar; after service in the Red Army, he settled in Minusinsk. He worked as a patrol officer before losing his job in 1989.[2] He claims that in 1990 he was "reborn" as Vissarion, a returned Christ. In his system this does not make him God, but instead the word of God. His religion combines elements of the Russian Orthodox Church with Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and ecological values. His followers observe strict regulations, are vegetarians,[3] and are allowed no vices such as smoking or drinking alcohol and money is banned.[4][5] The aim of the group is to unite all religions on Earth. Vissarion formed his religion around the time of the fall of the USSR.[6]
Interesting! Perhaps the people who followed this guy...and Vissarion himself---were dismayed at the collapse of authority and wanted some authority in their lives. Vissarion thus losing his authoritative job dreamed that he himself was the authority to unify all religions. Just a thought.
Add by Edit: List of people claimed to be Jesus
Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 140 of 150 (811250)
06-06-2017 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by jar
06-06-2017 7:19 AM


Re: Jay having coffee.... and chatting about 'truths' again !
jar writes:
How is Jesus' claimed assertion different?
Do you see no difference in the character of Jesus versus the character of the people on my list and the people you mentioned?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 141 of 150 (811251)
06-06-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by RAZD
06-06-2017 7:25 AM


Back On Topic
RAZD writes:
This thread is about Science and the truths that are revealed by the scientific method, not about any other revealed truths (especially those of questionable veracity).
My apologies, RAZD. I saw that this was in the Coffee House and thus went off on my usual Faith/Belief take on things.
To reiterate your topic:
Revealed Truth
What is "truth" ... (excerpted from definition below):
  • the quality or state of being true:
  • that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality:
  • a fact or belief that is accepted as true:
synonyms: fact • verity • certainty • certitude • law • principle
What does it mean to be "revealed" ... (also excerpted from definition below):
  • make (previously unknown or secret information) known to others:
  • cause or allow (something) to be seen:
synonyms: show • display • exhibit • disclose • uncover • unveil • uncloak
The process of science (scientific method) is the only known process that we have to find/uncover/reveal new facts/verity/truths.
Enjoy


Definitions:
  1. truth - Oxford University Press)
    [tro͞oTH]
    NOUN
    the quality or state of being true:
    "he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
    synonyms: veracity • truthfulness • verity • sincerity • candor • honesty • accuracy • correctness • validity • factuality • authenticity
    • (the truth)
      that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality:
      "tell me the truth" • [more]
      synonyms: what actually happened • the case • so • the gospel (truth) • the honest truth • fact(s) • reality • real life • actuality
      antonyms: lies • fiction
    • a fact or belief that is accepted as true:
      "the emergence of scientific truths"
      synonyms: fact • verity • certainty • certitude • law • principle
  2. re•veal - Oxford University Press)
    [rəˈvēl]
    VERB
    reveals (third person present) • revealed (past tense) • revealed (past participle) • revealing (present participle)
    1. make (previously unknown or secret information) known to others:
    "Brenda was forced to reveal Robbie's whereabouts" • "he revealed that he and his children had received death threats"
    synonyms: divulge • disclose • tell • let slip • let drop • give away • give out • blurt (out) • release • leak • make known • make public • broadcast • publicize • circulate • disseminate • let on
    antonyms: hide • conceal
    • cause or allow (something) to be seen:
      "the clouds were breaking up to reveal a clear blue sky"
      synonyms: show • display • exhibit • disclose • uncover • unveil • uncloak
      antonyms: hide
    • make (something) known to humans by divine or supernatural means:
      "the truth revealed at the Incarnation"
      synonyms: bring to light • uncover • lay bare • unearth • expose • evince • uncloak
Edited by Phat, : fixed mess

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Phat
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Message 147 of 150 (811451)
06-08-2017 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by Davidjay
06-08-2017 10:41 AM


Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
Im concluding that the reason you continually call men of science dumb and stupid is that you consider it a form of spiritual warfare. Surely you wouldn't actually be coming here to insult people. We know that a man such as you who loves Jesus would not be called to insult the intelligence of others.
I read your website and I see that you battle against pride.(Basketball testimony)
So I can understand how it makes you feel good knowing that Jesus has all of the answers that we petty humans do not possess.
I have been at EvC a long time and I know that I am not called here to battle evolution and critical scientific thought. I am here for a relationship with others---through posting and sharing life experiences.
Has God told you what you are here for, David? I really hope that you want to see us all make it. The demons can die, however.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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