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Message 136 of 150 (811242)
06-06-2017 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Davidjay
06-05-2017 10:01 PM


Jay trolling again !
On topic, and a complete answer.

No, off topic and completely irrelevant. This thread is about Science and the truths that are revealed by the scientific method, not about any other revealed truths (especially those of questionable veracity).

And NO, thats not spamming, ...

And YES, it is spamming - things you have repeated in virtually every post of yours on every thread you have infected regardless of the topic of the thread is spamming.

Once again the content you have posted that is related to the topic is the sound of one hand clapping in a secluded wood.

There is more scientific evidence in the frass of ants in Antarctica than in your posts.

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Message 137 of 150 (811246)
06-06-2017 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Davidjay
06-05-2017 10:01 PM


Prayers For Davidjay
Davidjay writes:

And NO, thats not spamming, thats called repeating the words of truth of Jesus, to again clarify and prove my point, that Jesus is the revealed truth, that you say is hot air and nothingness. I disagree and Jesus disagrees with you.

Interesting. Jesus just affirmed my intention to suspend you. Perhaps He wants you to proselytize elsewhere.

On behalf of the members of EvC, we have almost had enough of you.

Suspensions will continue if needed. If you feel called here, you will follow the authority. You are NOT Jesus. Have a blessed day. Go feed someone.

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    Phat
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    Message 138 of 150 (811247)
    06-06-2017 9:47 AM
    Reply to: Message 135 by jar
    06-06-2017 7:19 AM


    TRUTH
    wiki writes:

    Vissarion was born in Krasnodar; after service in the Red Army, he settled in Minusinsk. He worked as a patrol officer before losing his job in 1989.[2] He claims that in 1990 he was "reborn" as Vissarion, a returned Christ. In his system this does not make him God, but instead the word of God. His religion combines elements of the Russian Orthodox Church with Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and ecological values. His followers observe strict regulations, are vegetarians,[3] and are allowed no vices such as smoking or drinking alcohol and money is banned.[4][5] The aim of the group is to unite all religions on Earth. Vissarion formed his religion around the time of the fall of the USSR.[6]

    Interesting! Perhaps the people who followed this guy...and Vissarion himself---were dismayed at the collapse of authority and wanted some authority in their lives. Vissarion thus losing his authoritative job dreamed that he himself was the authority to unify all religions. Just a thought.

    Add by Edit: List of people claimed to be Jesus

    Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 139 of 150 (811248)
    06-06-2017 9:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 133 by Faith
    06-06-2017 1:49 AM


    Re: Jay having coffee.... and chatting about 'truths' again !
    "Quid est veritas?" ~ Pontius Pilate

    "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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    Message 140 of 150 (811250)
    06-06-2017 9:55 AM
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    06-06-2017 7:19 AM


    Re: Jay having coffee.... and chatting about 'truths' again !
    jar writes:

    How is Jesus' claimed assertion different?

    Do you see no difference in the character of Jesus versus the character of the people on my list and the people you mentioned?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 141 of 150 (811251)
    06-06-2017 9:58 AM
    Reply to: Message 136 by RAZD
    06-06-2017 7:25 AM


    Back On Topic
    RAZD writes:

    This thread is about Science and the truths that are revealed by the scientific method, not about any other revealed truths (especially those of questionable veracity).

    My apologies, RAZD. I saw that this was in the Coffee House and thus went off on my usual Faith/Belief take on things.

    To reiterate your topic:

    Revealed Truth
    What is "truth" ... (excerpted from definition below):

    • the quality or state of being true:
    • that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality:
    • a fact or belief that is accepted as true:

    synonyms: fact • verity • certainty • certitude • law • principle

    What does it mean to be "revealed" ... (also excerpted from definition below):

    • make (previously unknown or secret information) known to others:
    • cause or allow (something) to be seen:

    synonyms: show • display • exhibit • disclose • uncover • unveil • uncloak

    The process of science (scientific method) is the only known process that we have to find/uncover/reveal new facts/verity/truths.

    Enjoy



    Definitions:

    1. truth - © Oxford University Press)

      [tro͞oTH]
      NOUN

      the quality or state of being true:
      "he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
      synonyms: veracity • truthfulness • verity • sincerity • candor • honesty • accuracy • correctness • validity • factuality • authenticity

      • (the truth)
        that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality:
        "tell me the truth" • [more]
        synonyms: what actually happened • the case • so • the gospel (truth) • the honest truth • fact(s) • reality • real life • actuality
        antonyms: lies • fiction

      • a fact or belief that is accepted as true:
        "the emergence of scientific truths"
        synonyms: fact • verity • certainty • certitude • law • principle

    2. re•veal - © Oxford University Press)

      [rəˈvēl]
      VERB
      reveals (third person present) • revealed (past tense) • revealed (past participle) • revealing (present participle)

      1. make (previously unknown or secret information) known to others:
      "Brenda was forced to reveal Robbie's whereabouts" • "he revealed that he and his children had received death threats"
      synonyms: divulge • disclose • tell • let slip • let drop • give away • give out • blurt (out) • release • leak • make known • make public • broadcast • publicize • circulate • disseminate • let on
      antonyms: hide • conceal

      • cause or allow (something) to be seen:
        "the clouds were breaking up to reveal a clear blue sky"
        synonyms: show • display • exhibit • disclose • uncover • unveil • uncloak
        antonyms: hide
      • make (something) known to humans by divine or supernatural means:
        "the truth revealed at the Incarnation"
        synonyms: bring to light • uncover • lay bare • unearth • expose • evince • uncloak

    Edited by Phat, : fixed mess


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 142 of 150 (811256)
    06-06-2017 10:27 AM
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    06-06-2017 9:55 AM


    Re: Jay having coffee.... and chatting about 'truths' again !
    Phat writes:

    Do you see no difference in the character of Jesus versus the character of the people on my list and the people you mentioned?

    This is actually relevant to the topic and I think pretty important.

    In all cases we really can't see the actual character of the people mentioned. We have no way of knowing what Jesus' real character was like.

    With contemporary people there is at least the possibility of some revealed truth in the sense of this thread but when it comes to Jesus we have only the most unreliable evidence that Jesus even existed. Outside the books selected to be included in the Bible and a few documents that were not included in the Bible we have no evidence that the character Jesus even lived.

    The person or persons that wrote the Gospel of John have the character make the assertion Faith quoted. In fact that assertion is only found in John, not in the other Gospels and is in fact taken out of the context of that chapter which is a revision and expansion of the Great Commission (I think I even posted a whole thread on that topic).

    To use that as evidence opens the valid question that why should the similar assertions about other folk making claims be given equal weight?

    In Christian Theology the answer is far too often "Because the Bible says so." but that offers no revealed truths, only a belief that certain beliefs are true.

    Science tests such assertions to find truth.

    Religion accepts such assertions and declares "TRUTH™".


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    Message 143 of 150 (811395)
    06-07-2017 4:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 118 by Davidjay
    05-31-2017 12:08 PM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    double

    Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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    Message 144 of 150 (811396)
    06-07-2017 4:20 PM
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    05-31-2017 4:01 PM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    Davidjay writes:

    I repeat man has not created any laws

    They why do we observe gravity defying Newton's Laws of Gravity? How is it that gravity can act differently than the laws say they should?

    But evolutionists have no math, and hate math, and cant understand math, and have no equations,

    That's bullshit. Here are the very equations you claim don't exist:

    http://www.radford.edu/...ABLE_Workshop/Popgen_Equations.pdf


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    Message 145 of 150 (811448)
    06-08-2017 10:41 AM
    Reply to: Message 144 by Taq
    06-07-2017 4:20 PM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    *** made the laws of ******

    ***** made these laws, nature didnt create them, e********** didn;t evolve them...

    Math can describe them but man didn't create them..

    How dumb can evolutionists get. Whoops we know, and it has been proven that they get extremely dumb and dumber, and want to take credit for everything by luck and chance.

    All evolutionists have is semantics, no more no less. But they do have some pretty wild trees and pretty artist pics....


    Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

    Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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    Message 146 of 150 (811449)
    06-08-2017 10:44 AM
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    06-08-2017 10:41 AM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    I wont HEREIN, write or rewrite the exact article that exactly refutes and opposes the insanity that man creates laws.... Its *** allowed HERE.

    Evolutionists have nothing written down and can compose nothing of worth because they have nothing of worth and no laws to support their latest crazy theory on a theory.

    In other words, all evolutionists whether young or old, new to evolution or old timers, are at the same level. For after they learn their principle of luck and chance there is nothing more to learn. They know it all. Their minds are full, their quest of knowledge quenched and satisfied, as everything is just lack of design, lack of intelligence and merely luck and chance.


    Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

    Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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    Message 147 of 150 (811451)
    06-08-2017 10:48 AM
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    06-08-2017 10:41 AM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    Im concluding that the reason you continually call men of science dumb and stupid is that you consider it a form of spiritual warfare. Surely you wouldn't actually be coming here to insult people. We know that a man such as you who loves Jesus would not be called to insult the intelligence of others.

    I read your website and I see that you battle against pride.(Basketball testimony)

    So I can understand how it makes you feel good knowing that Jesus has all of the answers that we petty humans do not possess.

    I have been at EvC a long time and I know that I am not called here to battle evolution and critical scientific thought. I am here for a relationship with others---through posting and sharing life experiences.

    Has God told you what you are here for, David? I really hope that you want to see us all make it. The demons can die, however.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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    Message 148 of 150 (811452)
    06-08-2017 10:48 AM
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    06-08-2017 10:41 AM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    Davidjay writes:

    Math can describe them but man didn't create them..

    Then why doesn't gravity obey the equations that Newton created?

    More to the point, give us the equation that will precisely predict the path of a single photon in the double slit experiment.

    Edited by Taq, : No reason given.


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    Message 149 of 150 (811454)
    06-08-2017 10:56 AM
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    06-08-2017 10:48 AM


    On trolls
    He's here to troll, disparage "evilutionists" and "Darwinists," and display his "wit."

    (On the latter point, he's half-way there...)


    Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

    Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

    In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

    It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

    If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

    If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

    "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

    Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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    Message 150 of 150 (811468)
    06-08-2017 11:54 AM
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    06-08-2017 10:41 AM


    Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
    Davidjay writes:

    Math can describe them but man didn't create them..


    Man created math.
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