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Message 61 of 150 (807883)
05-06-2017 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Davidjay
05-06-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Real Scientists test out Jesus !
True scientists and physicists study the unseen world or spiritual world.... and look for observed facts and determine laws and relationships....etc etc..

What a jokster you are, etc. etc.

Spiritual just means beyond normal limited bounded human eye sight... real scientists study more than just with their eyes... do note that centuries ago they started using microscopes, and more advanced instruments than mere eye glasses.

Yes, of course! I once saw a FSM with my microscope.

So forget false scientists who try to negate anything they cant see as they have hodden motivation into staying blind and being blind.

Those hodden motivations are the worst. Can you imagine having hodden motivation into staying blind? Wow!

Truth always defeats lies

I have noticed that.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 62 of 150 (807970)
05-07-2017 2:14 PM


The history of evolution is about the science not the people
Proposed New Topics, Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION, Message 10 Davidjay propounds:

quote:
If evolutionists state that evolution started with Darwins observations and then possible insight into the 'origin of different species' then lets study and research what led him to his theory.

If it started with previous scientists or biologists or observers... let them be stated and lets study their history and why they came up with their theory.


The problem is that science is about facts and theories and evidence and not about people. If one scientist had not found a revealed scientific truth, another one would. The evidence for this is the remarkable numbers of times that "discoveries" are made virtuously simultaneously in all fields from all parts of the planet.

If Darwin had not been the name on evolution it would have been Alfred Russel Wallace (see Alfred Russel Wallace and Biogeography), If Wallace had not founded the concept of Biogeography, someone else would have, because the reality/truth is there to be found/revealed, waiting to be discovered.

The reason for this is the gradual accumulation of knowledge, the consilience of concepts from different fields coming to the same conclusions, and the fact that our way of thinking about these things changes as we learn more, things are seen in different lights.

For instance the Malthus connection mentioned in Message 3 of Alfred Russel Wallace and Biogeography provide an epiphany understanding for Wallace regarding evolution:

quote:
something brought to my recollection Malthus's "Principles of Population" … I thought of his clear exposition of "the positive checks to increase"—disease, accidents, war, and famine—which keep down the population … It then occurred to me that these causes or their equivalents are continually acting in the case of animals also; and as animals usually breed much more rapidly than does mankind, the destruction every year from these causes must be enormous in order to keep down the numbers of each species, since they evidently do not increase regularly from year to year, as otherwise the world would long ago have been densely crowded with those that breed most quickly. [Then] it occurred to me to ask the question, Why do some die and some live? And the answer was clearly, that on the whole the best fitted live. … that is, the fittest would survive. … The more I thought over it the more I became convinced that I had at length found the long-sought-for law of nature that solved the problem of the origin of species. … on the two succeeding evenings I wrote [the theory] out carefully in order to send it to Darwin by the next post. [Alfred Russel Wallace, My Life, pp. 361-363]

Without Malthus and Wallace's knowledge of his theories on population this conclusion would have been missed.

As knowledge is revealed, bit by bit, building on previous knowledge, new conclusions are possible. This is true in all science ... "we are limited in our ability to understand ... by our ability to understand ... "

If not (well informed) scientist "A" then (well informed) scientist "B" ... the person is relatively irrelevant to the discovery of new revealed truths.

As the X-Files say: the truth is out there. It doesn't matter who discovers it, it matters that new truths are discovered and shared and integrated into the knowledge bank of science so the next discoveries can be made.

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Message 63 of 150 (807974)
05-07-2017 3:14 PM
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05-07-2017 2:14 PM


Re: The history of evolution is about the science not the people
In short, evolution is a discovery. Religion is an invention.

The reason no-one else has come up with an alternative to evolution is because, like electricity and the rings around Saturn, it was found. Once found you have it. Discoveries are unique.

Inventions are different, there's no logical end to them - inventions are only limited by imagination. Hence 38,000 flavours of Christianity alone.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 64 of 150 (808051)
05-08-2017 10:46 AM
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05-05-2017 12:07 PM


Re: Test spirituality and the unseen world of SCIENCE
I already explained this to you once. But as you revel in your ignorance you refuse to acknowledge basic science terms. Theories Never become Laws. They are different things.
Can you read English?
If so please read this link in its entirety. It is only 3 pages of large script. It explains how theories and laws are different.
https://docs.google.com/...PxI0uOkXqAheJwHF7_ADOboNRXUI/edit

quote:
The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena. And, whereas a law is a postulate that forms the foundation of the scientific method, a theory is the end result of that same process.
A simple analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.
A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.
An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.
A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

If you continue to argue as you have, it will just prove you are a troll and a charlatan. Even an idiot or moron should be able to read this short thread and realize that your argument is just plain stupid.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 65 of 150 (808061)
05-08-2017 11:27 AM
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05-07-2017 2:14 PM


Re: The history of evolution is about the myth not the people
All science is about discoveries of what already exists. Science does not invent, it only sees and studies and understands what was originally created. Unproven myths and theories are not deemed science just because a lot of people want them to be so.

If evolutionists were sure of their belief system they would not be afraid of discussing their history or origins, whether Darwin or any other previous observer observations. This because we cant say scientists because evolution can;t be tested, cant be proven through math, and cant be proven in any other way, other than faith.

See and study the concept of discovering laws and not theories on theories on theories.

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In understanding Messianic scriptures, its almost absolutely essential to understand that the LORD is our Creator, and not
damnable evolution, random chance, or uncontrolled big bang chaos. Because true science equates to true religion, as Einstein
proved, and it is totally complimentary to have some knowledge about not only the Lord's Creation, but all the other truths
from economics, history, biology, politics, etc etc in whatever field. For what, we all have to learn originally is that: there is no
truth unknown by the Lord for He created all truths for He is the truth (Jn 14:6). For even when the evil angels after
rebelliously went ahead and mated with the daughters of men, and then disclosed the secrets of the Lord (Gen 6 , Book of
Enoch), they were merely stealing this information for their own twisted perversions and greed. We don't have to be afraid of
science only aware of their misuse of the Lord's power.

For it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that knowledge of genetics and the DNA double helix, will be misused by
immoral scientists in their naive morality and so-called good intentions of cloning and searches for eternal life. For sometimes
unbeknown to them, they are bing lead by an anti-christ spirit by attempting to recreate that which was perfect from the
beginning. But it isn't true knowledge that is evil, as we are directed by the Lord to love him with all our MINDS as well as our
hearts, besides studying to show ourselves approved unto the Lord of Lords, it is the evil use and twisting of God's truth that
is evil. This is what happened in the very Garden of Eden with the Serpent twisting God's directions.

Matter of fact, the Lord chides us into at least being as wise as the lying, tricky Serpent. For the Lord's people don't have to be
dumb sheep, but should be able to forsee the evil (Proverbs) and to shine like the stars with wisdom. (Daniel 12:3) So we don't
have to honour man and his so-called high technology, for even by using this computer we are not using the inventions of man
or the Devil's principles but the qualities of the organized, and orderly creation of jewels or crystals created by the LORD. The
damnable Devil has never created anything or had an original thought himself, he is merely a counterfeiter and usurper who
wants to steal the glory and beauty of God to direct it either to him or even more insanely to us, fallible humans.

Crystals retain the light or energy or electricity put into them, they resonate this vibration and therefore remember, or almost
have a consciousness of the past that can be accessed which is what makes computers able to function. This isn't a new
discovery of man, but the very essence of the Lord's floor under His throne, the shape of His New Jerusalem , and the walls of
the truly eternal kingdom with its crystalline jewels. (Revelations, Ezekiel, etc. etc.)

The shape of a quartz crystal brings on the power because of its design of the Designer not because of insane science, for there
is nothing new under the Sun as Solomon said. This design pattern was from the beginning, not some invention of the present.
For just as Lucifer was just a mere creation of the King of Kings, and was suppose to be only a Bearer of the light, like a
reflective resonating crystal, so Nature is merely a reflection of the Beauty and Order of Creation and NOT a GOD
independent of YHWH For again, Satin is NOT worthy of FEAR, Respect, or Honour, He is Not the light even though he
pretends to be. For there is no GOD, besides the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, as they are One. For as Jesus, the true Messiah
said, "I AM the LIGHT", not just the visible light, the one octave of the 70 octaves of electromagnetic energy, but ALL the
light. All the vibrations, there is nothing beyond Him, nothing that happens without his permission, in the physical world or
the coexisting spiritual demension proven by Einstein.

Therefore we have nothing to Fear from damnable science, and their damnable eventual leader even when he possesses the
body of the Anti-Christ. For even though the Evil One may honour the God of forces or fortresses, (Dan 11) as the LORD
said in Isaiah, No Weapon (of false science) that is formed against the shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against
thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of th LORD and their righteousness is of ME,(not of
ourselves), saith the LORD. (Isa.54:17)

If we get these basic concepts established in our heads and hearts, and actually have a personal contact with the Creator then
we can have the discernment to decipher the truths of science and lies of false science, the truths of open knowledge and the
esoteric. We have nothing to be afraid of. For in this light, we can then explore and understand the New Age fascination with
pyramids, and how its golden section or divine proportion relates to crystals, and how this same pattern was used for our
Creation in His image. They have stolen the glory of God, it is our duty to return it to Yeshua who deserves the credit and the
glory and the honour. For when we realize that we are beautifully made from the hand of the living God, it makes us more
inclined to serve Him with all our heart, soul and mind. IMO

Don't you think?

In His Service

David Jay Jordan


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 66 of 150 (808062)
05-08-2017 11:30 AM
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05-08-2017 11:27 AM


Re: The history of evolution is about the myth not the people
As mentioned truths exist and have not evolved and have been HERE from Genesis. Sceintists can onyl discover what is and has alaways been there.

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Understand this principle, study it, and know it, so that you dont worship science or present day scientists, ot get tripped off into false science and theories on theories

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Stolen Information, Inventions and Creativity

Man in his pride, seems to think that he in his mind has created a whole new "High Technology" that will
elevate him to some new 'god' like status. He believes he is creating new inventions and new technologies that
will deliver him from his own destructions.

But wait a minute, this is in direct contradiction to the Eternal Biblical principle that "There is no new thing
under the Sun". Because the two can't be simultaneously true, one has to be a lie and the other truthful.

So let's to get a few things straight to start with to find out the truth. For what is the explosion of knowledge
right now anyway, except the revealing of eternal laws and truths and principles that have always been. There
is no new physical or spiritual laws that are being created only the discovery of what has already existed from
the Creation of the Universes. No new invention creates any new laws., they only use what has already been
created.

Does man create matter? Well Yes, he does for micron seconds. His elements beyond the Lord's 92, do exist in
a flash of an eyelid and less, until they disintegrate. But nothing man creates lasts. This is why he is just a re-
combiner of life and the materials of life. But he is not the Creator.

Does he create life in a test tube? Yes but No,…..because he just takes living matter, or a living egg and a
living sperm and mates them artifically into life. Only the Lord of Lords and King of Kings has ever created
LIFE. For He (Jesus) even said, "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. (John 14:6). Man only
recombines life and alters what has already been created. And usually it will turn into disaster. For is this not
what cloning is also about? Isn't man just taking living cells and replicated them in their earlier embryonic
stages as to try and form a new life from the old?

Man can't create life, as any married couple knows. All they do is pass on the life they have been given
through sexual reproduction and recombination of their seed or DNA. Nothing has evolved because all things
were designed to be harmonic from the start.(SEE Creation versus Evolution Board)

I mean where did the knowledge come from originally. Did mankind think it up, or did it come from the Spirit
World. You guessed it, for if you read Genesis 6, the evil angels that mated with the daughters of men, didn't
think up their knowledge but got it from the Lord's spirit world which was created by the Lord. These evil
angels just twisted these truths for their own evil ends which brought on more pain and suffering to mankind.

For instead of using knowledge for good, these evil entities used the knowledge for evil and for warfare. For if
you even look around today most of man's greatest technologies are again being used for the development of
warfare or for the collection of material wealth for a few rather than the majority.

There has been no new created laws by man, he has had no real new inventions? I mean I got a patent for a
'floating flyhook' but was it really an invention? No. I just used the laws that were already there. I didn't create
the fish, or the water, or the physical laws that made the hook's motion attractive to the fish, the Lord did. I
just used the Creations of the Lord and the created LAWS of the Law for the worthy purpose of tricking the
fish…Ha.

So there is no new invention under the Sun after all, as the wisest man in the world noted (King Solomon).
For even computers which are advancing the new technology didn't create itself but was only possible because
of the absolutely amazing properties of crystals involved in storing data via its memory resonance. Man didn't
create the crystalline shape or properties of the crystals. He is just using them for his own purposes. The
Lord knows all about crystals and memory, and computers, He has every word and every action on His
database from the very beginning. There is no knowledge, he is unaware of. He knows it ALL, and has heard
every lie as well, from the creator of lies, Satan. And the only time the devil says any truth is to give credence
to his up-coming lie.

The Devil only steals the Lord's truths and knowledge in an attempt to give credence to his Lies, for he is the
father of lies and was such from the very beginning. For if you study the truth (which comes from the Lord
and from a healthy fear of the Lord), you start to realize that any real truth is an eternal truth that is timeless,
and not merely temporal. And so once again, you'd have to admit that All truths have always been true and
always existed in the Spiritual Plane even if we are just discovering them personally ourselves.

For he that seeketh findeth and he that asketh truth from the truthgiver (Jesus) shall be given the truth


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 67 of 150 (808066)
05-08-2017 11:38 AM
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Wrong again
Unproven myths and theories are not deemed science just because a lot of people want them to be so.

You have a lot of errors in that one sentence.

First, science does not deal in proof. For that see photography, math, and distilling.

Second, science is defined by following the scientific method not by what lot of people want.

And third, if you want "unproven myths and theories" you should look to religions, with their generally-contradictory claims and often-disproved beliefs.

...we cant say scientists because evolution can;t be tested, cant be proven through math, and cant be proven in any other way, other than faith.

Again with "proven," which is a typical creationist tactic and which reflects a core misunderstanding of how science works.

But, you're wrong again about evolution not being tested. It is tested again with every fossil find, and with every new DNA sequence, and with new dating methods and results. And so far the theory of evolution has been supported by all of these tests. It is only anti-science creationists who believe old tribal myths who can't accept the evidence.

It is the claims of religions that are failing the real-world tests.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 68 of 150 (808148)
05-08-2017 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by mike the wiz
05-03-2017 4:26 PM


Re: Real Scientists test out Jesus !
mike the wiz writes:

For example, exotic air, gravity, germ theory, forces, can be directly tested and they reveal an ENDLESS induction of identical results.

The same applies to evolution when we compare the genomes of living species. Genomes are a direct record of ancestry, and they can be used to directly test predictions made by the theory of evolution.

When people fall to the ground, people not falling off the earth at it's other side, etc...all of the direct tests we can do to show there is some force keeping us on earth, can be performed any time we want, to prove to each other those things are true. We can place a rat in a sealed dome and see if it loses consciousness, we can see germs under the microscope.

When we compare genomes we can use algorithms to determine if there is a statistically significant phylogenetic signal. We can do this any time, and with any species.

You cannot, in a lab, show a bellows type lung evolve into a contraflow lung or a scale which is actually part of a whole skin, evolve proto-feathers that lead to feathers. You cannot show a prokaryotic cell evolved into a proto-eukaryotic cell, by showing the bacteria migrate into the cell to create the organelle.

But we can show, in the lab, that these species share a common ancestor, and that the divergence of their genomes are consistent with evolutionary mechanisms.

None of these things are factual, scientifically, they are all claims of the historical claim of macro evolution and cannot be tested directly. You have to believe the, "just so" story together with circumstantial evidence, in order to accept that this happened in history, against the immense sophistication of design in nature as proven by biomimetics.

Phylogenetics isn't circumstantial nor is it a just so story. It is a scientific test.

Secondly, if you argue that "science is the only way to reveal truth," it does not therefore follow that, "if something is true therefore it is science."

Even creationists tacitly agree that science is closer to the truth than religion. This is why they, like you, try so hard to show that the theory of evolution isn't science. Creationists even argue that evolution is just another religion, just like creationism is. You never evolutionists try to disprove creationism by calling it "just another scientific theory".

Creationist efforts to make creationism look like science while trying to make evolution look like a religion only shines a spotlight on the fact that science is better than religion.


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Message 69 of 150 (808220)
05-09-2017 9:20 AM


Science was created by the Creator not by scientists, they only discover what wass created. This we already proved in the thread Did laws evolve' and the answer was NO. Laws did not evolve.

Science is truths, theories are mere theories of people trying to find a truth, or in evolutionists case, evolutionists trying to support their religion.

Evolution can not be tested. The bones do not show beneficial mutations, let alone beneficial whole systems evolving into being replacing older human bodily systems or inscet systems, or bat systems, or seal systems etc etc...

Evolution can not be tested by its very theoretical design. It answerrs no questions except allowing other theories to develop from their first theory, or other definitions or semantics to cover up for the original theories gapping holes and missing links and truths.

Jesus can be tested, spirituality can be tested, and proven to the person testing it. They can KNOW, whereas the gutless ones who only theorise can only complain about those that have tested and proven whether there is a spiritual world and whether there is a JESUS.

SEE next reply


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 70 of 150 (808221)
05-09-2017 9:26 AM
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Jesus is testable
The cowardly sit on the fence and never test out truths, they follow the crowd and majority opinion and what is indocrinated into them at schools and universities. The gutless ones, know who controls their pay checks and follow what theory they are told is true, as long as they get their archelogical check, and teaching check etc etc...

Real Scientists and real searchers test out spirituality and JESUS according to real life personal experiences. Thats how they KNOW !!

Jesus said to do it... Do His will, follow his instructions and do it to find out.

John 7:17

John 7:17King James Version (KJV)
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Whoosies theorise, real people test and verify...

Jesus is testable, Jesus' principles are testable.

Evolutions theories are detestable and untestable !

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 71 of 150 (808239)
05-09-2017 11:00 AM
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Poe?

Poe's Law: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.

And David's posts are so off the wall they makes detecting a Poe all but impossible.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 72 of 150 (808247)
05-09-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Davidjay
05-09-2017 9:26 AM


Re: Jesus is testable
Davidjay writes:

The cowardly sit on the fence and never test out truths, . . .

Here are 29+ tests for the theory of evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Let's compare that to creationism:

"•By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."--Answers in Genesis
https://answersingenesis.org/about/faith/

That is one of the leading creationist organizations, and they state outright that you can't test creationism and you must dogmatically believe creationism is true no matter what the evidence shows. They state outright that you must toe the line.

Real Scientists and real searchers test out spirituality and JESUS according to real life personal experiences. Thats how they KNOW !!

So lets see one of those tests for creationism.


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Message 73 of 150 (808248)
05-09-2017 11:49 AM
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05-09-2017 9:20 AM


Davidjay writes:

Evolution can not be tested.

29+ tests for evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/


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Message 74 of 150 (808259)
05-09-2017 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Coyote
05-09-2017 11:00 AM


Re: Poe?
Poe's Law: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.

And David's posts are so off the wall they makes detecting a Poe all but impossible.

Spam in, diarrhea out.

See Message 65 for example. The first paragraph is the hook, then the trolling starts, followed by the diarrhea ...

Enjoy

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Message 75 of 150 (808290)
05-09-2017 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Coyote
05-09-2017 11:00 AM


Re: Poe?
Poe? No. DJ is, in my very uneducated opinion, ill. He should have but won't seek psychological help.
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