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Message 106 of 150 (809162)
05-16-2017 1:40 PM
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05-16-2017 10:42 AM


Re: Revealed truth.... we came from oldest (parent population of the clade Euarchonta
Quote?

So he's doing the same thing he did with bats, making false assertions about what people are telling him.

Tree shrews and humans share a common ancestor that was neither human nor tree shrew, just the oldest (parent) population of the clade Euarchonta.

Even the article he posted shows the cladogram with this picture in it (see Windsor castle):

Current molecular consensus for euarchontans and kin.
Other phylogenetic hypotheses are available.

It is hard to see how anyone doing even a cursory reading of the article could come to the conclusion that it says treeshrews are ancestral to humans, particularly when that picture show a clear and unambiguous cladogram with primates and Scandentia evolving separately from their Euarcontan common ancestor.

The oldest (parent) population of the clade Euarchonta is neither Primate nor Scandentia, but ancestral to both.

Only a loser would try to beat people over the head with demonstrably false information.

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Message 107 of 150 (809169)
05-16-2017 3:43 PM
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Re: Revealed truth.... we came from oldest (parent population of the clade Euarchonta
Only a loser would try to beat people over the head with demonstrably false information.

That is a standard Creationist tactic. Anyone remember Kirk Cameron's idiotic Crocoduck?

In the end, it isn't about dialog. It is about creating false statements and strawmen that are attacked as opposed to an actual cogent discussion of the facts. If we all recall, when the Dover trial occurred, Creationism (Intelligent Design) had a forum from which they could have brought their ideas in the open and had our legal system review the veracity of their statements.

And if I recall, not a single individual from the Discovery Institute (the leading ID body) showed up even though they were requested by the ID proponents. In the end, it was just Behe that made an appearance where he finally had to admit that ID only worked using his definition of science. And he had to acknowledge that his definition also allowed astrology and crystal power as being 'legitimate' fields of discipline.

Creationists have played this game for a long time. And they know that after 150 years, the ONLY recourse they have left is to bend the truth, deny the facts and act like martyrs.


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Message 108 of 150 (809712)
05-20-2017 11:54 AM
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05-16-2017 3:43 PM


Re: Breaking News we came from Hominoidea's ... Euarchonta
Allow me to update evolutionary thoughts or quesses or artists pretty pics....

As Raz says through his posted graph that humans came from
( http://www.evcforum.net/Messages.php?control=replynew&m=8... Message 328 )

Humans came from Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

I win, evolutionist is such a lie and so bogus, to be almsot laughable if it wasnt taken so seriously by the evolutionists.

Its just semantics brethren and non brethren, just word manipulation and spelling...

Read it again and marvel, that evolutionists actually believe our ancestors followed this spelling lineage......

Humans ancestor was Homininae, which came from Hominidae which evolved from Hominoidae which evolved from Hominoidea....

More concisely put in a flow chart for clarity

Human-Homininae-Hominidae-Hominoidae-Hominoidea....

There it is BREAKING NEWS, we humans evolved from Hominoidea's 20 million years ago..... our ancestors are hominoidea's..

I say our ancestors were humans, the same as us.

Evolutionists say different, you choose your ancestor, and see if spelling is the defining factor or whether truth and science and common sense prevails.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 109 of 150 (809751)
05-20-2017 7:26 PM
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05-20-2017 11:54 AM


Which thread do you want this answered on? Updated
You've posted exactly the same thing on FIVE threads (so far anyway), which is spamming and a troll trait.

This one
Evolution is a racist doctrine Message 347
A good summary of so called human evolution. Message 127
The story of Bones and Dogs and Humans Message 8
and
Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection' Message 228

See A good summary of so called human evolution. Message 131 for reply

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Message 110 of 150 (809765)
05-20-2017 10:39 PM
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05-03-2017 9:33 AM


The ambassador?
DJJ writes:

I proved Jesus was real, while in University..graduated even when evolutionary profs tried to prevent it, and then went on to be a missionary for Jesus for life...for LIFE< all my life, by the Grace of God. That's over 40 some years as a missionary for Jesus, I know from doing it and not just from the experiences of others. I did it and KNOW JESUS IS REAL

I can give you that. You are claiming to represent Jesus and I won't doubt you...but I WILL question you regarding your claim.

First of all, what would Jesus say to the educated minds at EvC? Would He try to persuade them by calling them stupid?

To find out if someone exists and is a real person, the ultimate test is meeting them.
OK, so all we have to go on to judge your character is what you say to us. Your science is untestable through the usual scientific method, so we have nothing to go on apart from your claim that you have met Jesus and KNOW that He is real. Perhaps we would agree for the sake of argument that Jesus is a great Scientist. Perhaps we could concede that Jesus knows how everything actually happened from the very beginning.

But being as YOU are His representative, we find it puzzling that you are not as calm and rational as we would imagine Him to be.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 111 of 150 (809793)
05-21-2017 8:10 AM
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05-04-2017 1:22 PM


Re: Real Scientists test out Jesus !
Science is independent of scientists:

That's why truths\facts\reality will be revealed through science ...

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Message 112 of 150 (810314)
05-27-2017 7:04 PM
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05-20-2017 10:39 PM


Re: Jesus created SCIENCE

First of all, what would Jesus say to the educated minds at EvC? Would He try to persuade them by calling them stupid?

Educated minds admit and realise that the worlds were created by the Lord. Its called intelligent design, not luck and chance.

SEE http://www.davidjayjordan.com/...nfirmedNoahandtheFlood.html

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Jesusisthecreator.html

Jesus calls them much worse than stupid ....when they adamantly deny the truths of science, math, biology, chemistry and physics.

He saying they are willingly ignorant.

(Look it up, Jesus is not too pleased with evolutionists and athiests).

Why dont they use their God given and created brains for good rather than for nothingness and for creating empty space in their heads.

Jesus created science.....

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Sciencemystery.html

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Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 113 of 150 (810536)
05-30-2017 12:25 PM
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05-27-2017 7:04 PM


Evolutionists are out of their realm...
Apparently evolutionists believe evolution did not start life and did not creat any laws.

Therefore if this truth of theirs is true, then evolution has nothing to say about science or the laws of the Universe. They are outside the realm of evolution and living things. Their evolution theory ONLY involves living diversity and nothing more in Science.

So an evolutionists background in ****** and ***** and **** .and **** would not help them one iota in searching and discovering TRUTH, or revealing TRUTH outside of their narrow refined area.

So where did truths come from. Who or what created these truths? Wre they just inherrant in matter or the Universe tostart with ? Did they just magically appear or did they just magically always have been ? Are they ETERNAL ? Did they just fit together magically from the BEGINNING all by their idependent selves ?

Good questions to ponder ?

Do answer these questions evolutionists......


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 114 of 150 (810537)
05-30-2017 12:29 PM


Pigeon chess
Pigeon chess:

Refers to having a pointless debate with somebody utterly ignorant of the subject matter, but standing on a dogmatic position that cannot be moved with any amount of education or logic, but who always proclaims victory.

Origin:

"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." -- Scott D. Weitzenhoffer (From an Amazon.com book review)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pigeon%20c...


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


  
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Message 115 of 150 (810542)
05-30-2017 1:58 PM
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05-30-2017 12:25 PM


Re: Evolutionists are out of their realm...
Davidjay writes:

Apparently evolutionists believe evolution did not start life and did not creat any laws.

Of course evolution did not create life by definition. Nor does it create laws. Humans create laws.

This has been explained to you before. Laws and Theories are human creations to explain observed phenomena.

For example the Theory of Evolution explains the diversity of life seen in reality.

The Law of Gravity explained why things fell down instead of up.

However, both Theories and Laws evolve as man learns new details or acquires new ways to measure things.

Evolution says nothing. Humans say things. Humans create Laws. Humans create Theories. The fact of evolution is simply an acknowledgement of observed reality.


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Message 116 of 150 (810578)
05-30-2017 11:05 PM
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Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
'Unflipping believeable, but you heard it hear READERS..... as I quote
Humans create laws.

Evolutionists are truly dumber than you could have ever imagined.....

Laws are not man made, they can be discovered, but man does not create laws. He can pin point their mathematics and pattern and course via mathetics (Evolutionists dont know math or have any experience in mathematics because their luck and chance system is not based on mathematics or laws).

I have not misrepresented this quote, but evolutionists are so desperate for some clarity and foundation when they have none.

See he says again

Evolution says nothing. Humans say things. Humans create Laws. Humans create Theories

Yes, evolutionists create wierd theories and evolution says nothing I agree with these two claims of evolutionists.... but we did not create any laws, the Creator did. The Creator also did not create any theories but facts and truths, that we can observe if our eyes weren;t closed by evolution or dishonest motivation.

SEE and Read and study.

Stolen Information, Inventions and Creativity

Man in his pride, seems to think that he in his mind has created a whole new "High Technology" that will
elevate him to some new 'god' like status. He believes he is creating new inventions and new technologies that
will deliver him from his own destructions.

But wait a minute, this is in direct contradiction to the Eternal Biblical principle that "There is no new thing
under the Sun". Because the two can't be simultaneously true, one has to be a lie and the other truthful.

So let's to get a few things straight to start with to find out the truth. For what is the explosion of knowledge
right now anyway, except the revealing of eternal laws and truths and principles that have always been. There
is no new physical or spiritual laws that are being created only the discovery of what has already existed from
the Creation of the Universes. No new invention creates any new laws., they only use what has already been
created.

Does man create matter? Well Yes, he does for micron seconds. His elements beyond the Lord's 92, do exist in
a flash of an eyelid and less, until they disintegrate. But nothing man creates lasts. This is why he is just a re-
combiner of life and the materials of life. But he is not the Creator.

Does he create life in a test tube? Yes but No,…..because he just takes living matter, or a living egg and a
living sperm and mates them artifically into life. Only the Lord of Lords and King of Kings has ever created
LIFE. For He (Jesus) even said, "I am the way, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. (John 14:6). Man only
recombines life and alters what has already been created. And usually it will turn into disaster. For is this not
what cloning is also about? Isn't man just taking living cells and replicated them in their earlier embryonic
stages as to try and form a new life from the old?

Man can't create life, as any married couple knows. All they do is pass on the life they have been given
through sexual reproduction and recombination of their seed or DNA. Nothing has evolved because all things
were designed to be harmonic from the start.(SEE Creation versus Evolution Board)

I mean where did the knowledge come from originally. Did mankind think it up, or did it come from the Spirit
World. You guessed it, for if you read Genesis 6, the evil angels that mated with the daughters of men, didn't
think up their knowledge but got it from the Lord's spirit world which was created by the Lord. These evil
angels just twisted these truths for their own evil ends which brought on more pain and suffering to mankind.

For instead of using knowledge for good, these evil entities used the knowledge for evil and for warfare. For if
you even look around today most of man's greatest technologies are again being used for the development of
warfare or for the collection of material wealth for a few rather than the majority.

There has been no new created laws by man, he has had no real new inventions? I mean I got a patent for a
'floating flyhook' but was it really an invention? No. I just used the laws that were already there. I didn't create
the fish, or the water, or the physical laws that made the hook's motion attractive to the fish, the Lord did. I
just used the Creations of the Lord and the created LAWS of the Law for the worthy purpose of tricking the
fish…Ha.

So there is no new invention under the Sun after all, as the wisest man in the world noted (King Solomon).
For even computers which are advancing the new technology didn't create itself but was only possible because
of the absolutely amazing properties of crystals involved in storing data via its memory resonance. Man didn't
create the crystalline shape or properties of the crystals. He is just using them for his own purposes. The
Lord knows all about crystals and memory, and computers, He has every word and every action on His
database from the very beginning. There is no knowledge, he is unaware of. He knows it ALL, and has heard
every lie as well, from the creator of lies, Satan. And the only time the devil says any truth is to give credence
to his up-coming lie.

The Devil only steals the Lord's truths and knowledge in an attempt to give credence to his Lies, for he is the
father of lies and was such from the very beginning. For if you study the truth (which comes from the Lord
and from a healthy fear of the Lord), you start to realize that any real truth is an eternal truth that is timeless,
and not merely temporal. And so once again, you'd have to admit that All truths have always been true and
always existed in the Spiritual Plane even if we are just discovering them personally ourselves.

For he that seeketh findeth and he that asketh truth from the truthgiver (Jesus) shall be given the truth. And
what is truth ....... JESUS.

In His Service

David Jay Jordan

From http://www.davidjayjordan.com/StolenInformation.html

The evolutionists need a new spokesperson who is much wiser and consistent and scientific.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 117 of 150 (810640)
05-31-2017 11:48 AM
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05-30-2017 11:05 PM


Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
Davidjay writes:

Laws are not man made,

Yes, laws are made by humans. For example, Newton wrote the laws of gravity. Along came Einstein who questioned those laws, and sure enough Newton's Laws of Gravity didn't accurately describe what we observed.

but we did not create any laws, the Creator did.

Based on what evidence?


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Message 118 of 150 (810644)
05-31-2017 12:08 PM
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05-31-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
Taq, obviously you arent being sane and rational.

Man did not creat laws.... man has never created a law.... man does not make gravity, man does not make objects fall to a greater mass.

I mean, you are being dumber than d***.

Man can discover what exists and has always existed from GENESIS also called the BEGINNING.

But man does not creat laws. Please get other evolutionits to agree with you, or retract your insane science.

I repeat, us men who know math and know science and have observed correctly can find out if laws exist in the Creation of the Creator of laws and all things, but we men can not create laws.

For you to state that men create laws is such a wild out of tune unscientific.. thought that I am amazed that you repeat it.

Please go and get other evolutionists to side with you or sympathize for you.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 119 of 150 (810652)
05-31-2017 12:47 PM
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Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
And it's clear you are ignorant about what a Theory or Law really is.

Before you will be able to converse or discuss anything you really need to learn a few basics like what a Law is.

All scientific and natural Laws were created by man.


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Message 120 of 150 (810653)
05-31-2017 12:57 PM
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Re: Man did not create the laws of the Universe
You're conflating the man-made Scientific Law with the natural phenomenon, itself.

V=IR is a man-made law - Ohm's Law.

The fact that voltage can be described as the product of the current and resistance is the natural phenomenon that the man-made law explains.


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