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RAZD
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Message 466 of 518 (823190)
11-07-2017 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by jar
11-07-2017 10:09 AM


Re: Starman fails
Gotta hurt then that the two Creation myths in Genesis ...

Why stop there, every faith belief system has some version of creation -- what makes one special and the others mundane mythology? Ask any believer and it is the specific faith they believe, because they believe it.

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Message 467 of 518 (823191)
11-07-2017 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by RAZD
11-07-2017 12:52 PM


Re: Starman fails
RAZD writes:

Why stop there, every faith belief system has some version of creation -- what makes one special and the others mundane mythology? Ask any believer and it is the specific faith they believe, because they believe it.

Well most religions are smart enough to just have one myth, not two mutually exclusive and contradictory myths.

Maybe that is what makes the Judaic religions special.


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Message 468 of 518 (823205)
11-07-2017 4:23 PM
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11-06-2017 1:32 PM


Re: Wrong again
Blather. Your one and only option here is to prove a same state past on earth or you may not use it in models. Period.

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Message 469 of 518 (823206)
11-07-2017 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 460 by jar
11-06-2017 1:33 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
You can't and do not have to any more than you can deny it. Ha. How sweet it is.

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Message 470 of 518 (823207)
11-07-2017 4:28 PM
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11-06-2017 1:41 PM


Re: the continued failures of starman
Anyone can spam links. You can't even post the gist of the matter regarding the issues here in a short concise way. If you could I would beat it to chaff in a New York minute anyhow. So I get why you beat around the bush pretending you could do wonders here. I know better.

As for the tree ring business I hope you get the point by now that everything in a dead or living tree depends on what nature it grew. Period.


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Message 471 of 518 (823208)
11-07-2017 4:29 PM
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11-06-2017 8:26 PM


Re: Starman fails
The issue was addressed face the music. No decay dates are of any value unless the nature was always the same. Prove it or lose the claims! Hoo ha.

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Message 472 of 518 (823209)
11-07-2017 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 463 by RAZD
11-07-2017 7:00 AM


Re: Starman fails
Your same state past based godless models of the past are fake news so called science.

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Message 473 of 518 (823210)
11-07-2017 4:31 PM
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11-07-2017 4:24 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
We have human DNA from before the Garden of Eden existed, Ötzi existed at the time Adam supposedly lived, the Jomon culture existed before during and after the imaginary Biblical flood stories were supposed to have happened, Egypt existed before, during and after the imaginary flood and no one even noticed any unusual flood or Exodus.

There is no such thing as any "former nature" and no one has ever presented any evidence of any "former nature" and once again reality shows that creationism and young earth are simply the province of the deluded and the dishonest.


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Message 474 of 518 (823211)
11-07-2017 4:34 PM
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11-07-2017 10:09 AM


Re: Starman fails
The creation order is only in chapter one. Chapter two starts after it was all finished already as the very first verse clearly states. Gong!

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Message 475 of 518 (823212)
11-07-2017 4:35 PM
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11-07-2017 4:31 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
Wrong. I doubt there was any DNA as we now see it then even! In any case all DNA we do have is very post nature change. Sorry you get another GONG!

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Message 476 of 518 (823215)
11-07-2017 4:51 PM
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11-07-2017 4:29 PM


Re: Starman fails
The issue was addressed face the music. No decay dates are of any value unless the nature was always the same. Prove it or lose the claims! Hoo ha.

Been done. You're the one who loses.

And you're not even amusing any longer. Sure you're not a Poe?


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Message 477 of 518 (823220)
11-07-2017 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 468 by starman
11-07-2017 4:23 PM


Re: Wrong again
Blather. Your one and only option here is to prove a same state past on earth or you may not use it in models. Period.

Nope, because the option I choose is to ignore your assertions as vapid imagination until such time as you provide evidence to substantiate it.

Fail #21

Science will happily proceed to investigate the universe based on tested theory and objective evidence, and not willow-the-wisp fantasies.

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Message 478 of 518 (823222)
11-07-2017 5:15 PM
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11-07-2017 4:34 PM


Re: Starman fails
You've never read the Bible have you or have any idea of how it was created.

Reality once again shows you are ignorant. The beginning of Genesis 2 is part of the much newer Genesis 1 story. Genesis 2 itself was written long before Genesis 1 and under a different religious tradition.


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Message 479 of 518 (823223)
11-07-2017 5:18 PM
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11-07-2017 4:28 PM


Re: the continued failures of starman
Anyone can spam links. You can't even post the gist of the matter regarding the issues here in a short concise way. If you could I would beat it to chaff in a New York minute anyhow. So I get why you beat around the bush pretending you could do wonders here. I know better.

Says the black knight ... Fail #22.

There is a difference between spamming links and referencing existing posts on threads within this forum, especially when you easily hop between several threads already -- not that you read them (no evidence of that in your posts) -- you're just scared you can't handle it.

As for the tree ring business I hope you get the point by now that everything in a dead or living tree depends on what nature it grew. Period.

Indeed, and what we have established on Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 so far is that we have not found the end of the present nature period, and we are over 36,000 years into the past at this point. We also established that 14C dating is valid.

It seems you are backing into a corner again.

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Message 480 of 518 (823224)
11-07-2017 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by starman
11-07-2017 4:31 PM


Re: Starman fails
Your same state past based godless models of the past are fake news so called science.

And still no evidence to substantiate a claim of a different nature in the past, just denial of the evidence for an old earth. You have an argument based on fantasy and ignorance and will-o-the-whisp imagination.

You have so little evidence that you can't even prop up an argument that your fantasy should be considered as having any purpose to consider.

Fail #23,

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