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starman
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Message 496 of 518 (823377)
11-09-2017 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by jar
11-09-2017 12:37 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
You would need to be acquainted with reality to decide who is close or far from it.

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starman
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Message 497 of 518 (823378)
11-09-2017 3:35 PM
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11-09-2017 12:40 PM


Re: Starman fails
Gen 2 is after the fact, and beside the fact of the topic. Gong!

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starman
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Message 498 of 518 (823379)
11-09-2017 3:37 PM
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11-09-2017 12:53 PM


Re: Starman fails as predicted -- fail #31
You forgot to show reasons we know there was radioactive decay on earth long ago. Sorry, I will not take your belief based wishful thinking or word for it.

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Message 499 of 518 (823381)
11-09-2017 3:38 PM
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11-09-2017 1:15 PM


Re: the continued failures of starman, now at #32 and counting
Nothing looked for but rings eh. Ha. Show us some rings over 5000 layers deep that you think had to be laid down in this nature. No song and dance needed.

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Message 500 of 518 (823397)
11-09-2017 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by starman
11-09-2017 3:32 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
LOL

Sorry but until you provide evidence that the Bible lied and the Biblical Flood happened 70,000,000 years ago or that humans existed or in fact ANY of the kinds listed in the Bile existed 70,000,000 million years ago then once again, only we have the evidence and we win.


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Message 501 of 518 (823398)
11-09-2017 5:24 PM
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11-09-2017 3:35 PM


Re: Starman fails
starman writes:

Gen 2 is after the fact, and beside the fact of the topic. Gong!

Once again, you are simply showing your ignorance of the Bible.

Bishop Simms writes:

In the Bible the intermingling of why and how is evident, especially in the opening chapters of Genesis. There the majestic statements of God's action, its value and the place of humanity in it, use an orderly and sequential statement of method. The why of the divine work is carried in a primitive description of how the work was done.

But even here the distinction between religion and science is clear. In Genesis there is not one creation statement but two. They agree as to why and who, but are quite different as to how and when. The statements are set forth in tandem, chapter one of Genesis using one description of method and chapter two another. According to the first, humanity was created, male and female, after the creation of plants and animals. According to the second, man was created first, then the trees, the animals and finally the woman and not from the earth as in the first account, but from the rib of the man. Textual research shows that these two accounts are from two distinct eras, the first later in history, the second earlier.

source:

Once again, we have the evidence and so we win.


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Message 502 of 518 (823400)
11-09-2017 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 483 by starman
11-09-2017 12:19 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
Not true. All DNA we have is very post flood era.

That's a religious belief contradicted by facts.

Its so easy to disprove that idea that even my own archaeological research does so. From one project I have mtDNA dating about 5300 years ago which matches younger skeletal samples from the same area, as well as living individuals from the same area. There was no break or discontinuity ca. 4350 years ago (where most biblical scholars place the flood) which would have been necessary if there was a godly inspired genocide of everyone but Noah's female kin.

There is also no evidence for a flood in geology, stratigraphy or other fields of investigation in this area, meaning no global flood.


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Message 503 of 518 (823422)
11-10-2017 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 498 by starman
11-09-2017 3:37 PM


Re: Starman fails as predicted -- fail #34
You forgot to show reasons we know there was radioactive decay on earth long ago. Sorry, I will not take your belief based wishful thinking or word for it.

Oh but I have, HERE, you just haven't read it.

and you still failed to provide any evidence to support your assertions. Fail 34

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Message 504 of 518 (823423)
11-10-2017 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by starman
11-09-2017 3:38 PM


Re: the continued failures of starman, now at #35 and counting
Nothing looked for but rings eh. ...

What else would you look for when counting rings, emeralds?

... Show us some rings over 5000 layers deep that you think had to be laid down in this nature. No song and dance needed.

After you stop your song and dance and show us some substantiation for your assertions ... but you won't, you can't, you fail again.

If you actually read Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 you would see some.

But you don't read threads, because they contain information you can't deal with except through denial.

Failed again you did. #35

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Message 505 of 518 (823432)
11-10-2017 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by starman
11-09-2017 3:33 PM


starman writes:

I do not have to believe the bible is wrong....


Nobody cares what you believe. Your beliefs don't make fairy tales come true. We're not trying to convince YOU of anything. We're just here to make sure your nonsense doesn't go unchallenged. Anybody who comes here willing to accept the truth will be spared from creationist lies. Ignorance is curable. You can either accept the cure or not.
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starman
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Message 506 of 518 (823437)
11-10-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 500 by jar
11-09-2017 5:18 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
I accept the verification of the Man who rose up from being dead as evidence of His word being true. You can believe whatever you like. When I look at the iridium in the KT layer I ask myself if this stuff, which science says comes from under the earth and space...just as flood waters did by the way...is evidence for the flood.

It all depends on what presuppositions and beliefs one comes in with, as to the way the evidence will appear to them.


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starman
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Message 507 of 518 (823438)
11-10-2017 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by jar
11-09-2017 5:24 PM


Re: Starman fails
There is one statement of the creation order. Chap 2 is after the fact and not any new order.

Edited by starman, : No reason given.


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starman
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Message 508 of 518 (823439)
11-10-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by Coyote
11-09-2017 5:42 PM


Re: most of us are neither utterly ignorant or utterly dishonest
OK, let's play. Show us how dates are derived from DNA!!? When we look at the process of assigning dates we can clear up your bogus claims. Sorry that you spent years learning it, but it is not true.

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starman
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Message 509 of 518 (823440)
11-10-2017 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 503 by RAZD
11-10-2017 7:00 AM


Re: Starman fails as predicted -- fail #34
Zip it and show the post as you were asked to, that does what you say. Why pretend?

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Message 510 of 518 (823441)
11-10-2017 11:49 AM
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11-10-2017 11:44 AM


A Warning
You have not demonstrated that you are here to debate. If you don't you will start to receive suspensions of growing duration.

For one thing it seems you are not reading and responding to answers to your assertions and questions. It is entirely possible that you lack the necessary intellectual capacity to understand but until you show that you have even read them that can't be determined.

In the science forums you need evidence for your claims.


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