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Message 16 of 27 (810277)
05-26-2017 9:48 PM
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05-26-2017 5:37 PM


CRR writes:

Just why the fuck is he going on and on about court procedures and rules when in reality we are just trying to conduct a bloody police investigation.

Because that's all the ammunition he had.

It's the same with CRR’s discussion about definitions and information. All they have is semantics, mythology and philosophy. They have to avoid fact, evidence and observation at all costs. Reality is the devil and he shows up in the detail.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 17 of 27 (810294)
05-27-2017 12:41 PM
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05-26-2017 5:37 PM


Why debate, why not research
Agreed for a change, why do evolutionists refuse to research and just talk about facts and theories. I would assume it is because their theory is wrapped toooo much around their lives and jobs and lifestyle and religion.

But Yes, I started a research thread concerning the 'DESIGN of the Speed of Light' and made headway as I researched in about the 30th response.....

Research threads can be much more beneficial than mere non thinking one line denials as with evolutionary responses and their very sensitive atitudes.

Evolutionists need not fear math and true science. True science always wins, lets discuss it.

Amen ? Amen !


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 18 of 27 (810295)
05-27-2017 12:57 PM
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05-27-2017 12:41 PM


Re: Why debate, why not research
why do evolutionists refuse to research...

https://www.omicsonline.org/...journals-conferences-list.php

As per available reports about 300 journals, 50 Conferences and 5 workshopes are presently dedicated exclusively to Evolution and about 4,150,000 articles are being published on the current trends in Evolution.

Trends in Ecology and Evolution
Molecular Biology and Evolution
Annual Review of Ecology, Evolution, and Systematics.
Evolution; international journal of organic Evolution
International Journal of Systematic and Evolutionary Microbiology
IEEE Transactions on Evolutionary Computation
Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution
Journal of Molecular Evolution
Journal of Evolutionary Biology.
Journal of Human Evolution.
BMC Evolutionary Biology
Evolution and Human Behavior
Evolutionary Anthropology
Evolutionary Computation.
Development Genes and Evolution
Evolutionary Ecology
Brain, Behavior and Evolution
Evolution and Development.
Plant Systematics and Evolution
Evolutionary Ecology Research
Genetics Selection Evolution.
Infection, Genetics and Evolution
Anatomical Record - Part A Discoveries in Molecular, Cellular, and Evolutionary Biology
Perspectives in Plant Ecology, Evolution and Systematics.
Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere
Journal of Evolutionary Economics.
Journal of Experimental Zoology Part B: Molecular and Developmental Evolution
Genetic Resources and Crop Evolution
Journal of Zoological Systematics and Evolutionary Research
Journal of Mammalian Evolution
Organisms Diversity and Evolution.
Ethology Ecology and Evolution
Journal of Software Maintenance and Evolution
Genome Biology and Evolution
Methods in Ecology and Evolution.
Evolutionary Applications
Proceedings of the 2004 Congress on Evolutionary Computation, CEC2004
Journal of Systematics and Evolution
Evolutionary Biology
Israel Journal of Ecology and Evolution.
Journal of Evolution Equation
Insect Systematics and Evolution.
Swarm and Evolutionary Computation.
International Workshop on Principles of Software Evolution (IWPSE)
Ecology and Evolution
Evolutionary Psychology
Evolutionary Bioinformatics.
Journal of Evolutionary Psychology.
Evolutionary Intelligence
Handbook of Differential Equations: Evolutionary Equations


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 19 of 27 (810297)
05-27-2017 1:34 PM
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05-26-2017 5:37 PM


So why debate? Why not just simply talk, discuss? Learn?

I like to argue.

Regardless of whichever position you actually took, you learned to take whatever position you were assigned and then to take that position in your arguments.

I wish people realized that this was still a thing...

Too often people think that arguing for or against something means that you are emotionally invested in the position.


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Message 20 of 27 (810307)
05-27-2017 6:36 PM
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05-27-2017 1:34 PM


Me, I enjoy the fray, the battle, especially when I know I am on the winning side. I mean, how can design lose to no design. How can intelligence get defeated by no intelligence.

Fighting evolution and atheism is truly easy, and hardly gets the neurons a thinking and connecting, because atheists and evolutionists are not thinkers, they have no experiences and no science to back them up.

I mean once an evolutionists learns that their theory is based on luck and chance, thats the end of their so called learning, because nothingelse follows or is connected to their theory... its either luck and chance, or chance and luck. They know it all after they settle for luck and chance as the design mechanism.

Similiarly athiests connect nothing with nothing and so have no foundation..... which is why they are so irritable and cranky, and bias in their thinking and non thinking.

How sad, but their minds get clogged by their religions.


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 21 of 27 (810349)
05-28-2017 9:23 AM
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05-27-2017 6:36 PM


Me, I enjoy the fray, the battle, especially when I know I am on the winning side.

It'd be nice if you actually entered the ring instead of shouting from the stands about how much ass you're kicking.

That means actually replying the substance of people's posts rather than just being a silly repetitive blow hard.

You don't win by declaring victory. You win by learning.

What is the last thing you learned here?

I mean, how can design lose to no design. How can intelligence get defeated by no intelligence.

Well, some things are spontaneous, like catalysis; so that there's one way.

Fighting evolution and atheism is truly easy, and hardly gets the neurons a thinking and connecting,

Your previous behavior here shows that your neurons are hardly "thinking and connecting"...

because atheists and evolutionists are not thinkers, they have no experiences and no science to back them up.

You're projecting.

How sad, but their minds get clogged by their religions.

Maybe you should just worry about yourself?


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Message 22 of 27 (810365)
05-28-2017 10:54 AM


Tabernacle of the Sun..Tent of the Sun
Christians and creationists do enter the fray and post !!

Dont sit on the sidelines, study science, genetics, and biology. Get experience and participate...

Dont be whimpy and run like evolutionists do when confounded by facts and truths and biology. Dont be afraid of science, its meant to educate you.. and give you a greater appreciation of what surrounds you.

Enjoy the fray....

4Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their utterances to the end of the world. In them He has placed a tent for the sun, 5Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; It rejoices as a strong man to run his course. 6Its rising is from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its heat.…

Wow...thanks... thats another direct exact verse, showing that the tabernacle of the Sun.. is called the tent of the sun, in this verse.

Missed it previously, just more confirmations brethren

Awesome find !!!

I should add it to the Exact Speed of Ligh by Design thread but it was closed ...


Evolutionists are brainless whoosies, gutless and cowards.
They are not scientists, but religionists that choose to deny facts and truths of science. Intelligence and design always defeats their lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is a losers doctrine, simply because they are either lazy or dishonest.

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Message 23 of 27 (810366)
05-28-2017 2:10 PM
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05-28-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Tabernacle of the Sun..Tent of the Sun
Davidjay writes:

Dont be whimpy and run like evolutionists do when confounded by facts and truths and biology.


You're the one who runs away. There are more than forty threads with posts that you have not answered.

Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.


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Message 24 of 27 (810419)
05-29-2017 11:09 AM
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05-28-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Win for love and peace
See 1200 articles that I have written.... and all my posts HEREIN.

Also note the bible references.... as a strong man to run a race, rejoiceth... He's a fit athelte, with experiences and training and a will to compete and WIN.

I hate losing, because the majority oppresses the so called losers who are humbler and sweeter than the poor and the oppressed. Lets fight for love and peace rather than war and warmongering greed.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 25 of 27 (810433)
05-29-2017 11:56 AM
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05-29-2017 11:09 AM


Re: Win for love and peace
Davidjay writes:

See 1200 articles that I have written.... and all my posts HEREIN.


See the forty topics where you haven't answered. You can't accuse others of not answering when you have dozens of posts that you haven't answered.

Of course we all know that you don't answer because you don't have any answers, because you don't know what you're talking about.

All you have is spam. For you, winning the debate is making the biggest pile of spam.


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Message 26 of 27 (810441)
05-29-2017 12:48 PM
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05-28-2017 10:54 AM


Re: Tabernacle of the Sun..Tent of the Sun
It seems to me that although you welcome a debate and a courageous fray, you already believe that you have the right answer and that you have won. This is why you never answer anyone.

Be courageous and respond to my assertion, David. Am I right? You need not remind me of why you believe you have won. Just admit to us that all you really want to say is that Jesus won and human wisdom lost.

Then you need to explain why you are afraid to accept mainstream science.

You already are unable to prove why your idea of science is correct. (apart from the Jesus thing)

Know this. God did NOT give you the special wisdom that others do not possess. This is your fantasy.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 27 of 27 (810458)
05-29-2017 7:36 PM
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05-29-2017 12:48 PM


Re:Just ask the Lord ....
I prefer research threads rather than debates as evolutionists are admant about their belief system and I as a long time design person and science person and full time missionary for forty some years am convinced that Jesus is the Creator, and know the science behind His abilities.

Research gets someplace whereas debates are hard core and only help READERS decide the truths involved. This is why I answer so many questions from different perspectives and different angles, to convince READERS and not to convince the hardcore evolutionists who always want more and more answers when they refuse to answer any questions themselves. Its an old ploy by debaters.

SEE http://www.davidjayjordan.com/Proveit.html

No, Phat, of course we know Jesus won, but the science of creationism is there and the design in all areas of physics and chemistry and mathematics and geography all point to design rather than luck and chance. For again I repeat.... the Lord dsaid... it is the glory of God to hide sopmething, but the honor of kings to find it out... (Look up that verse, if interested)

http://www.davidjayjordan.com/MathematicsMysteries.html

It means, the truths of life are a little hidden but if you search with a full heart and a FULL MIND, you can discover the truths.

There is nothing hid that shall not be revealed... (Look that one up)

aND THE lORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAYS..seek AND YE SHALL FIND...IF YOU LACK WISDOM JUST ASK him... ASK ASK ASK, AND SEEK AND YE OR YOU SHALL FIND. iTS A PROMISE AND IS true in all areas of life not just the spiritual but all areas of life. Excuse the CAPS Im a pecker, and afast one at that because I refused to pay someone to type up my work in University)

Im not special anyone can hear from the Lord, anyone can discover design... I mean its totally illogical and irrational to assume the Lord in His greatness totally hid all these truths so no one could know them...

What did King David say..

I am wonderfully made by the Hand of the Lord.. (look it up,)

Trying to say I am special and different and isolated is an untruth and just an excuse to NOT seek and search out truths of the Lord.

Just use an open heart and mind and ask HIM if you have questions.

Mysteries can be solved ..... either in a one way debate or a two way research thread, alone or together... solutions can be found, answers can be found.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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