EvC Forum: A Creationist Sues the Grand Canyon for Religious Discrimination

This is an interesting topic chiefly because of the wide variations of beliefs and world views between believers and unbelievers. Which brings up another argument: What has to be believed in order to qualify as a "believer"? I consider myself to be a believer in a Creator of all seen and unseen and I also believe that this Creator sent Jesus to communicate with us. I believe that Jesus is eternal life and that He lives today. That being said, I have no problem if the Grand Canyon was "created" by flood, erosion, nor how many years it took---be it ten or ten million.

Now as for all of you....

Dredge writes:

Satan, the father of lies, will use and abuse science in an attempt to "disprove" any part of God's Word. He manages to deceive a lot of folks, but not all of them .. and certainly not the Elect.

It is my understanding and belief that satan was and is allowed to exist by the Creator of all seen and unseen. It is also my understanding that satan is not able to deceive someone who has accepted the eternal life of our Lord Jesus. Does that make me one of these so called "Elect" or am I still in trouble for not believing in a global flood?

DavidJay writes:

Let the dead bury the dead and believe whatever they want and force whatever they want on students and toursists minds and whatever...Their choice, their responsibility.

You surely dont want the students of our future to be forced to only study certain books and historical arguments while being "protected" from other data, do you?

Taq writes:

Even before the theory of evolution, geologists had already figured out that the geologic record was not consistent with a recent global flood.

I find it quite hilarious when creationists think the Noachian flood was rejected because of the theory of evolution. It only demonstrates a complete ignorance of the history of geology.

Thats an interesting bit of information!

I respect your perspective. I personally am a cosmological ceationist in that I think God exists and is the source for everything, but not necessarily the Creator of all things directly. Natural processes seem logical. After all, take our individual thoughts. Does God "create" the thoughts of everyone? Perhaps only the Elect? Or...more likely...God allows us to think and reason and learn. The final answer is not simply some code in the Bible that only the elect can decipher. That being said, I am not in favor of eliminating the Bible as a source of learning. The question is what the book is supposed to teach us. Think about it. (Hint: Jesus Christ)

Tanypteryx writes:

The flood gets lots of discussion and we know it never actually happened.

Evidence is useful when concrete things (such as dirt and rocks and water) are being discussed. It is not useful when discussing abstract things (such as God, eternal life, and human destiny) although perhaps conversations between believers and non believers can be useful regarding human destiny!

Tangle writes:

Now I understand all those one line bumper sticker shrug-offs, you think science is done by satan....
What a weird world you live in.

Actually, Tangle...I would be more likely to ascribe the belief that religion is done by satan. Science is all about thinking.

Davidjay writes:

modern geology did not start with wikileaks it started with the creation of atoms, dirt, matter, right from the Creation process of the Lord.....
Dirt and geology did nto start with a BIG BANG that exploded dirt together and laid layers upon layers.

Geology is a science until it gets into evolution backing, and the everything took a billion year s theory and dementia.

Hence geology and archeology and evolution are in bed together confirming one anothers theories, so as to try and force their religion on students and adults. How sad, but real searchers search and study and learn science and facts and truths.

Design and Intelligence wins, lack of design and lack of intelligence always loses.... always as in ALWAYS.

You have several assertions here that need addressing.
1) Are Design and Intelligence given to only certain people? (These Elect that are always being discussed)
2) Are the secular educated being deceived? If so by whom? And who is to say that the modern church is not also being deceived?

3) What is the most important single idea that ALL humans should believe? One sentence,please.

jar writes:

The Bible proves the Biblical Flood never happened.

Unless Loki is actually in charge!

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