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Davidjay 
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Message 46 of 60 (811028)
06-04-2017 9:59 AM
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06-04-2017 9:52 AM


Now evolution is a majority theory forced on all others
Yes, now evolution because of their demand by the dark side to be used to dumb down all people is forced on students and adults, and into the minds of the dumb and getting dumber population. The tables have turned so that they can persecute anyone that dares oppose evolution and luck and chance thinking.

SEE Implications for Evolution thread

SEE Evolution is a Racist Doctrine thread

Now, because the majority falsely believe in the delusion and devastation of evolutionary thinking they are able to persecute others and CENSOR others as ******** proves.

Evolutionists hate being asked questions because they dont know where we came from and have no proofs and no evidences.
And so they persecute, mock and villify those that oppose them...

For with them its all pretense and semantics.


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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Message 47 of 60 (811032)
06-04-2017 10:19 AM
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06-04-2017 9:59 AM


Davidjay continues to misrepresent what others say and to try to change the subject.
Davidjay writes:

SEE Implications for Evolution thread

Looked there and once again you simply failed to support ANY of your assertions.

Davidjay writes:

SEE Evolution is a Racist Doctrine thread

Looked there and once again you simply failed to support ANY of your assertions or provide any evidence that Evolution is a Racist Doctrine.

In addition you did not respond to the fact that you post lies.


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Message 48 of 60 (811048)
06-04-2017 2:17 PM
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06-03-2017 4:00 PM


Phat writes:

Religiously (belief minded) people are not as enamored of evidence and critical thought as are practical verifiable evidential people.


That's a copout. Religiously-minded people can still be critical thinkers and can use evidence when there is evidence.
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Message 49 of 60 (811051)
06-04-2017 2:24 PM
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06-03-2017 4:25 PM


Tangle writes:

Here you job is to show why IQ is not negatively related to religiosity - if that is your claim.


"Not negatively related"? That kind of contortion should set off your own alarm bells.

You're the one making the claim. It's right there in your topic title: "Atheists are more intelligent than Religious people". I'm just questioning your claim. You're the one who's making the extrapolation from "better at tests" to "more intelligent". The onus is on you to justify that extrapolation.

What does "more intelligent" even mean?


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Message 50 of 60 (811055)
06-04-2017 2:36 PM
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06-04-2017 2:24 PM


ringo writes:

Not negatively related"? That kind of contortion should set off your own alarm bells.

Hohum.

The study found that intelligence is negatively correlated with religiosity. That means that the more religious people are the less intelligent they are - on average So, if you're objecting to the conclusion it's your job to show why.

What does "more intelligent" even mean?

Ah, now I understand your problem.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 51 of 60 (811056)
06-04-2017 2:37 PM
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06-04-2017 2:36 PM


Tangle writes:

ringo writes:

What does "more intelligent" even mean?


Ah, now I understand your problem.

Then answer the question.
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Message 52 of 60 (811063)
06-04-2017 3:06 PM
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06-04-2017 2:37 PM


ringo writes:

Then answer the question.

You want me to give you the wiki on intelligence? Really?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 53 of 60 (811064)
06-04-2017 3:21 PM
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06-04-2017 3:06 PM


Tangle writes:

You want me to give you the wiki on intelligence? Really?


No. I didn't ask what intelligence is. I asked: What does MORE intelligent mean?

What are the real-world implications of being "more intelligent"? What impact does it have on your life? What are the concrete results of the number 120 being bigger than the number 110?


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Message 54 of 60 (811066)
06-04-2017 3:33 PM
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06-04-2017 3:21 PM


ringo writes:

What are the real-world implications of being "more intelligent"?

University entrance, higher paid jobs? Faster learning, greater ability to understand complex ideas, ability to do hard sums that help us understand the universe, ability to talk shit on internet fora?

What impact does it have on your life? What are the concrete results of the number 120 being bigger than the number 110?

See above.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 55 of 60 (811067)
06-04-2017 3:39 PM
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06-04-2017 3:33 PM


Tangle writes:

University entrance, higher paid jobs?


So atheists have higher paying jobs than religious people?

Tangle writes:

Faster learning, greater ability to understand complex ideas, ability to do hard sums that help us understand the universe, ability to talk shit on internet fora?


Do you have evidence that atheists are "better" at those things than religious people?
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Message 56 of 60 (811070)
06-04-2017 3:59 PM
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06-04-2017 3:39 PM


ringo writes:

So atheists have higher paying jobs than religious people?

I dunno, seems likely but the paper and the thread deals with intelligence and religiosity. Perhaps you could address that?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 57 of 60 (811142)
06-05-2017 11:36 AM
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06-04-2017 3:59 PM


Tangle writes:

I dunno, seems likely but the paper and the thread deals with intelligence and religiosity. Perhaps you could address that?


It's your point. Perhaps you should address it yourself. You claimed that "more intelligent" means higher paid jobs. Unless you can back that up, it seems that "more intelligent" is meaningless rhetoric.
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Message 58 of 60 (811147)
06-05-2017 11:51 AM
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06-05-2017 11:36 AM


ringo writes:

It's your point.

It's not my point. You asked for examples of how IQ affected our lives, I gave you a few including that. Now you're attempting to turn the topic away from the actual point which has to do with religiosity not jobs.

Perhaps you should address it yourself. You claimed that "more intelligent" means higher paid jobs. Unless you can back that up, it seems that "more intelligent" is meaningless rhetoric.

If you want to start a topic discussing what IQ tests are measuring and whether they work, be my guest. Meanwhile IQ tests are real and are used extensively in social studies as a way of assessing relative intelligence. So 'more intelligence and 'less intelligence' is being measured in some objective way. We know that some people are more intelligent than others and that this has a real effect in the world - they just attempt to put a number on it so it can be used analytically.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Je suis Mancunian.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 59 of 60 (811150)
06-05-2017 11:57 AM
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06-05-2017 11:51 AM


Tangle writes:

You asked for examples of how IQ affected our lives, I gave you a few including that. Now you're attempting to turn the topic away from the actual point which has to do with religiosity not jobs.


Try to keep up:

1. You claim that "Atheists are more intelligent than Religious people".
2. I asked what "more intelligent" means.
3. You gave, as an example, the ability to make more money.

IF you could demonstrate that atheists make more money than atheists (on average), then MAYBE that would be because they are more intelligent and your conclusion MIGHT be valid.


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Message 60 of 60 (811215)
06-05-2017 10:04 PM
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06-05-2017 11:57 AM


Intelligent people invest in people not into money
Intelligent people dont make more money than other people. Intelligent people, spiritual people invest their lives in people and not into things and possessions.

Evolutionists and atheists opnly have materialism and their pet theory of evolution as their worthless crutch into the next life.

How very sad


Evolution is not science. It did not create life nor did it diversify life. It didn;t create the laws that exist nor did it create science. It is a religion and not Science.

Intelligent design always defeats evolutions lack of design and lack of intelligence. Luck and Chance is not a scientific doctrine,


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