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Author Topic:   Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left
LamarkNewAge
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Message 26 of 381 (812873)
06-20-2017 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
06-20-2017 7:53 AM


An amazingly ignorant post.
Your comments on race are so far off.
It is true that Marxism and communism were a driving force behind civil and equal rights, but today's black community is quite anti-communist and very nationalist. (I blame the CIA for all this hatred against Jew's and the race riots )
The neighborhoods were racially mixed from 1965 to 1968 until the 1968 riots. Then by 1969 the segregation was back, and blacks were still throwing a major fit as late as the 1990s when Jews moved into "black neighborhoods" in Harlem and elsewhere.
The American communist party was founded in 1919, and civil rights were a worldwide priority (Germany, France, United States, and the rights of Vietnam folks were called for as well as the entire world ).
Jewish individuals founded the NAACP and other civil rights organizations.
By 1965 we Americans looked well on the way toward anti-nationalism with the law being changed to allow both the massive overall increase in immigration and diverse people's to immigrate.
The neighborhood situation was very mixed, but the nationalistic Black Power movement made its cancerous debut.
Jews were kicked out of the black civil rights groups and the idea of civil rights is constantly described as a "Jewish plot" (I hear blacks say it all the time ) to do all sorts of nefarious things.
The 1968 race riots caused "white flight " and it was only because whites didn't want to fight a race war with blacks. Blacks are brainwashed to this day over the cause of "white flight" .
Much of what Faith describes is anti-communist black nationalism. Which is alive and well though the riots finally stopped completely. And many black nationalism slogans are presented as direct responses to things Jews have said ( the Black Is Beautiful slogan is a constant reminder to a racist comment a prominent Jewish scholar made in Spain almost 1000 years ago and which blacks accuse all Jews of believing )
Everybody has moved more nationalist in outlook, and much of what Faith describes is right wing anti-communistic thought. Communism is dead anyway so this is a crappy non starter thread just the way it is presented as a present issue to start with.
The only lasting victory of communism is the triumph of democracy (though popular propaganda distorts this issue too )

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 28 of 381 (812881)
06-21-2017 12:02 AM
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06-20-2017 10:53 PM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
I know a heck of alot more than you do.
Alot of Jews went "neoconservative" after the nationalist movement in the black community reared its hateful head . In the mid-late 60s.
Marxism fell apart (as far as teachings in universities ) and essentially vanished after the 70s.
Faith is just looking at the broad "left" and calling it Marxist.
The NAACP is trying to incorporate pro-immigration and pro-gay rights into its mission, but is getting lots of pushback.
Communism and Islam never were anything but enemies but Faith throws in one cannard after another on that one too.
(I never read his book, but the neoconservative David Horowitz wrote Radical Son and it was about his leaving Marxism. He has been known to take on the anti-gay crap from the right, while exposing alot of racism from the black community. I can't vouch for all he says, but he was a good debater in the 1990s when he had that organization - the name escapes me but it was something about "culture" in the name )
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 33 of 381 (812887)
06-21-2017 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by NoNukes
06-21-2017 1:46 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
You have no clue about the anti Semitic obsession among a massive chuck of blacks. I have noticed that it doesn't get reported on much, so that explains your ignorance. I have never heard so many anti Semitic theories from anybody else. I have yet to hear too many west European whites say hardly anything bad about Jews in all of my personal conversations. Honestly, aside from the internet. I have been alot of places too.
I just find this whole obsession over Marxism to be rediculous considering the anti Semitic right winger who just took over in Hungary. He sounds like so many blacks when he attacks George Soros. He shut down a university that Soros funded and said that Soros is plotting to undermine the nation and Europe with open border pro immigration propaganda.
But we need to worry about long dead Marxism?
More right wing propaganda which is designed to distort and distract from neo fascist threats that actually are very real.
Soros escaped Hungary as a young man, now he is 85 I think.
Unreal things that I just can't believe.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 34 of 381 (812888)
06-21-2017 2:20 AM
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06-21-2017 12:27 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
You can try to blur the line between the Civil Rights movement and the 1968 race riots (which were fueled by nationalist movements ) ,but your lack of parsing the separation of the various cross currents will be noticed.
Remember the Michigan debate that George Stephanapolis moderated? He pointed out the economic destruction that the 1968 race riots brought to Detroit. You know that "white flight " issue that sunk the budgets of so many cities in the 70s?
People in New York City known what really happened (though it doesn't get talked about much in print )

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 38 of 381 (812895)
06-21-2017 4:35 AM
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06-21-2017 3:59 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
I have read NOTHING from any site before I posted. I have no clue what crumbly site you are referring to. NoNukes said I read what site?
I did do a quick check of Wikipedia to see when exactly the term Black Power was first used (1966).
I also read that Dr King considered the Black Power movement to be no different than the KKK in terms of violence and pro segregation views. A 1967 quote. Check it out then bless us with your comments. The quote is in the Wikipedia Black Power article.
Dr Ben Carson was a big liberal (as recently as the 1990s ) but he recalls how he had to hide white students during the 1968 riots.
Black nationalist movements were against whites living in their neighborhoods. Sorry you don't like the facts.
Too bad you want to make it an issue of civil rights. People can see your slight of hand. (You ignored the issue of purging Jewish people from the civil rights organizations too )

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 39 of 381 (812896)
06-21-2017 4:38 AM
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06-21-2017 4:08 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
Actually I provided good evidence for my comments in a past thread.
Solid evidence.
A moderator hid the study that I showed.
NoNukes already lost that one. So keep your crap up and dig yourself deeper.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 43 of 381 (812900)
06-21-2017 4:51 AM
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06-21-2017 4:09 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
A long post Faith.
I only know about Horowitz from television appearances in the 1990s.
I thought he was pro gay rights, but perhaps I am wrong. Many people that consider blacks to be racist also are disturbed by the anti gay views in the black community.
The Black Power movement was very nationalist and still is in many ways. There was economic Marxism for a while though but that fell away around 1976 I think. Economic views aren't the issue anyway.
I have to wait to look into this stuff about modern day Marxism still being taught.
I can't believe that anything but right wingism is a major problem. The Marxism still seems trivial and democratic communist parties always have to work in a coalition government and are not too different from socialist governments (often they are to the right of Labor governments ).

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 44 of 381 (812901)
06-21-2017 4:55 AM
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06-21-2017 4:46 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
Malcolm X changed alot before he died in February 1965. He opposed segregation at the time of his death.
You don't even have the time periods straight.
1966 was the start of the term Black Power.
And there were lots of race riots but the 1968 one was quite cataclysmic for the county.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 46 of 381 (812903)
06-21-2017 5:33 AM
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06-21-2017 5:05 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
Malcolm X was brainwashed into supporting segregation and he said as much. He was marked for death by the nationalists and he was killed by them.
There is possibly evidence that he was going to form an alliance with Dr. King too.
I don't think it is fair for you to claim to speak for the long dead man who gets alot of hateful groups anachronistically attached to him.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 49 of 381 (812911)
06-21-2017 6:44 AM
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06-21-2017 5:45 AM


Re: An amazingly ignorant post.
I don't think too much of what you just said is accurate.
Black people actually read alot and the importance of college is recognized.
I'm not sure how some of this stuff gets around.
And here in New York, black females have a per child birth rate that is a good bit lower than the city average for all females.
Blacks don't use drugs any more than whites either.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Message 91 of 381 (813084)
06-23-2017 12:49 AM


This is not about policy or about policy? Ideological stuff? What?
Is the problem policy (like Scandinavia type social policy ) or is the policy only a problem when there are bad guys to identify?
Americans overthrew the British.
But also fought Native American tribes.
Switzerland is pacifist and hasn't fought a war since 1815.
What about the French Revolution and the invasion of Rome - which led to giving Europe a ton of valuable Papal land ( outside of Italy and the Italian Papal States were lost by 1870 around 70 years after Bonaparte ) (I think )
Is the socialist policy of Switzerland a good thing since there isn't a bad guy to take on?
Is the United States evil for uprising against an enemy?
I'm not sure what is being said, so I threw this in to see if there is some clarity.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 118 of 381 (813173)
06-24-2017 2:01 AM


I shall try again. (I don't see radical Islam as anything but anti communist )
I failed to make my point that Marxism is little more than wallpaper in so much of what Faith talks about ( even when she isn't going well out of the sphere of Marxist influence )
Let me ask about the White Revolution of the anti communist Shah Muhammad Reza Palevi in the early 1960s.
He took land from the rich to give to peasants.
Khomeini, in exile, attacked him for going against the God ordained order of rich verses poor.
Was the Shah influenced by Marxist theory?
What about his support for the oil embargo?
Marxist?
The Islamic fighters in 1980s Afghanistan loudly stated that God decides who is rich or poor and rose against the Communist government.
How does all of this fit into this world view of Marxist influence Faith? (your view is the world view )

  
LamarkNewAge
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Message 120 of 381 (813177)
06-24-2017 5:09 AM
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06-23-2017 2:09 PM


The Christian Roman Empire was tolerant from 361 to 363 AD. Can we leave it there?
Nope? Then I will add:
It was 100% intolerant after 380 AD.
Can we leave it there?
No? Then I will add:
You might want to have a little accuracy in your history. I'm just sayin.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 251 of 381 (813708)
06-30-2017 1:53 AM


Newsflash : Immigrants are a higher Christian % than the American population.
83% verses 70.6%
See my immigration thread for the conservative source.
And Muslims are projected to be 31% of the world population in 2050, so the world population numbers don't even have a majority.
Asian immigrants ( mostly non Muslim ) are the biggest immigration group lately it seems. But the Spanish immigrants are Christian (and they seem to gravitate towards conversion to Protestantism )

  
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Message 252 of 381 (813709)
06-30-2017 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
06-29-2017 12:10 PM


I must take issue with the comments on Spanish Americans in a post
Mexicans are mostly white and they consider themselves such. They seem quite conservative to me.
Even the votes for political office show conservative strains (despite the anti immigrant crap constantly in their faces ) - look at the male votes in states.
Hillary Clinton didn't seem to get 60% of the Hispanic male vote in most states. Often it was only around the mid 50% range.
EDIT : I lived in Houston for about 6 months and Spanish Texans do not in any way consider themselves refugees. They seem to be right at home, and I don't see this rebellion stuff Faith talks about. I don't think Spanish Texans consider themselves dominated at all. I never got the impression at all. Not at all.
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