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NoNukes
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Message 31 of 45 (825811)
12-18-2017 9:39 AM
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12-18-2017 9:12 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
By accumulating the wealth in the hands of the Elite, those who have demonstrated that they are the most suited to rule

Please name a couple of members of this group you are describing. I am just the tiniest bit skeptical that I can trust anyone to run the kind of organization you describe here.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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Message 32 of 45 (825812)
12-18-2017 9:40 AM
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12-18-2017 9:29 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
No where did I mention bowing and scraping.

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Message 33 of 45 (825814)
12-18-2017 9:42 AM
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12-18-2017 9:39 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
Look at the List of Heads of Corporations. These people, like Donald Trump, have demonstrated their capability to rule.

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Message 34 of 45 (825817)
12-18-2017 9:48 AM
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12-18-2017 9:42 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
jar writes:

Look at the List of Heads of Corporations. These people, like Donald Trump, have demonstrated their capability to rule.

I don't follow. They may have demonstrated capability through the mere fact that they are in power...but this hardly makes them preferable.

I suppose that in the strict sense of definition, they are capable in that they are good at what they do. They have managed to continue to improve the concentration of wealth into the upper echelon. Nobody wants a revolution yet.

Once they take my money, I'll join the masses burning down the mansions. Until then I dont want to rock the boat.


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Message 35 of 45 (825818)
12-18-2017 9:56 AM
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12-18-2017 9:48 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
There are only a few instances in all of history where the masses actually burned down the mansions. It is not really much of a risk or threat.

But what you would get in the Progressive Manor Estate society is job security and a stable future.


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Message 36 of 45 (825821)
12-18-2017 10:01 AM
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12-18-2017 9:56 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
jar writes:

But what you would get in the Progressive Manor Estate society is job security and a stable future.

Really? Now you are talking...what is the likelihood that the people would ever vote such a system in? Who would be against it and who would support it? Any projected guesses?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 37 of 45 (825824)
12-18-2017 10:07 AM
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12-18-2017 9:40 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
Nicely done.


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Message 38 of 45 (825849)
12-18-2017 11:57 AM
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12-18-2017 9:12 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
It seems to me that by adopting a Progressive Manor Estate society as our goal the US could create an orderly stable society where ever unit knows it's place and is valued and replace outmoded inefficient systems such as we use today with ones suited for the 21st Century and flexible enough to change rapidly based on actual hard real time evidence.

Indeed, and by carefully manipulating the value of the money in circulation they could ensure a 3% GDP growth every year, so the economic news would always be rosy, people could be given "cost of living" raises so that their earnings increased every year.

A job would be found for everyone, as there will always be cleanup needed, with anti-litter laws and campaigns managed to preserve the current levels so that job opportunities are provided, especially for the convict class task forces.

Rosy.

So when you wrote this you sat
ire pouring from your post at
republican economics
scams and dirty tricks
while rich greedy gluttons get fat


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Message 39 of 45 (826042)
12-21-2017 12:57 AM
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12-18-2017 11:57 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
quote:

Indeed, and by carefully manipulating the value of the money in circulation they could ensure a 3% GDP growth every year, so the economic news would always be rosy, people could be given "cost of living" raises so that their earnings increased every year.

A job would be found for everyone, as there will always be cleanup needed, with anti-litter laws and campaigns managed to preserve the current levels so that job opportunities are provided, especially for the convict class task forces.

Rosy.

So when you wrote this you sat
ire pouring from your post at
republican economics
scams and dirty tricks
while rich greedy gluttons get fat


I'm not sure inflation is a Republican trick.

But mayor Bill de Blasio is attacked for job training proposals for the homeless.

https://www.city-journal.org/...e-reform-reversal-13718.html

(I am having trouble finding the article I am looking for. try various keywords. But don't use "homeless" in the search because it will yield trillions of articles attacking the mayor)

keywords:

city journal new york bill de blasio job training 2015 job david dinkins www.city-journal.org

Universal job training is a controversial issue, and homeless can't even get any training. It is considered a "waste".


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Message 40 of 45 (826050)
12-21-2017 8:19 AM
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12-21-2017 12:57 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
Universal job training is a controversial issue, and homeless can't even get any training. It is considered a "waste".

Education is the best way to reduce recidivism of prison inmates, so republicans eliminated prison education programs.

Enjoy


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NoNukes
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Message 41 of 45 (826055)
12-21-2017 9:14 AM
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12-21-2017 8:19 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
Education is the best way to reduce recidivism of prison inmates, so republicans eliminated prison education programs.

I don't believe that was their line of thought, but eliminating prison education is in line with Republican priorities and thinking.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 42 of 45 (826057)
12-21-2017 9:33 AM
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12-21-2017 8:19 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
It is inline with the transformation of Colleges and Universities into Job Training Centers. People should get educated so they can be productive workers.

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Message 43 of 45 (826058)
12-21-2017 9:37 AM
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12-21-2017 9:33 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
It is inline with the transformation of Colleges and Universities into Job Training Centers. People should get educated so they can be productive workers.

IIRC the reasoning was "why should they get a benefit, they are in jail to be punished"


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Message 44 of 45 (826078)
12-21-2017 7:19 PM
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12-21-2017 9:37 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
And if they are in prison they are already productive workers making license plates and taking mail order over the phone and online. Its a great source for online tech support and they should be doing that any day.

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Message 45 of 45 (826104)
12-22-2017 10:58 AM
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12-21-2017 9:37 AM


Re: The Desirable direction.
RAZD writes:

"why should they get a benefit, they are in jail to be punished"


And to hone their criminal skills.
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