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Message 31 of 49 (814437)
07-09-2017 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by RAZD
07-09-2017 5:53 PM


Re: It's a good laugh
And you will note that my response was:

... The dictionaries don't define every two word combination.

That was your edited response, yes. Your original that I got in the email notification read like this;

The dictionaries don't define two word terms.

You knee-jerked, then decided you'd better do a quick refresher on some high school English. Don't feel bad, No Nukes did an edit job too. He launched into some name calling, then accused ME of "bluster". He edited out the name calling, but left the "bluster" part in. (as a member of a gang of posters) There's not a cutting instrument on earth that could cut through all this irony.

So funny. I bet they don't define "gullible fool" either.

Hmm, name calling from the one the trolls declare the winner. Some things just don't make much sense, do they?

Haven't you noticed that everyone (that replied) is laughing at you on this?

You're mistaking "laughing at me" to "covering for you". Remember, the sentence from my link that you "howled" at, still hasn't been proven false. Ringo might know of a dictionary that defines quote mining, but apparently it's a secret.

You're a long-time poster here who's loved and adored. You're excellent at starting and maintaining evolutionist love-fests. That's all this forum is about - not sure if it's been that way since its beginning or not. There can never be any meaningful, adult discussion here concerning creation vs evolution. It's gotten so I can't say 2 words without having 5 trolls immediately on my back. Most here would say that's because my views are so radical, but they don't get out much.

So carry on with more detail about creationist quote mining as though liberals never do it. You'll be believed by 99% of the people..... on this forum. Outside of this forum, not so much.


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Message 32 of 49 (814439)
07-09-2017 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by marc9000
07-09-2017 8:03 PM


Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again
So carry on with more detail about creationist quote mining as though liberals never do it. ...

And I've never said nobody else does it, that must be part of your fantasy.

You're a long-time poster here who's loved and adored. You're excellent at starting and maintaining evolutionist love-fests. That's all this forum is about - not sure if it's been that way since its beginning or not. There can never be any meaningful, adult discussion here concerning creation vs evolution. It's gotten so I can't say 2 words without having 5 trolls immediately on my back. Most here would say that's because my views are so radical, but they don't get out much.

And half the time I can't tell if you're a poe or a real creationist, oh the irony, because virtually 99% of what you say is so far outside the scope of reality.

Can you tell me how you justify the age of the earth? Just curious ... (*)

That was your edited response, yes. Your original that I got in the email notification read like this;

And if you look at my posts I often edit just after posting to make my meaning clearer and more honest ... what do you do when you look at a post and think it isn't quite correct?

So funny. I bet they don't define "gullible fool" either.

Hmm, name calling from the one the trolls declare the winner.

If the shoe fits, wear it. (too easy). Thanks for the entertainment.

Enjoy

(*) -- out of curiosity I checked the posting log for all the current and past versions of my "Age of the Earth" threads and out of:

  1. Age Correlations and an Old Earth Version 1 number 1 (297 posts)
  2. Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Part II. Version 1 number 2 (306 posts)
  3. Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) (357 posts)
  4. Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 (currently 513 posts)

and the current version (26 posts) ... for a total of 1499 posts on the topic ... you have said squat.

Seems you prefer to nitpick from the sidelines than actually participate.

** oh by the way, that's an edit after posting to add material ... oops I did it again ...

Edited by RAZD, : added

Edited by RAZD, : added


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Message 33 of 49 (814442)
07-09-2017 8:39 PM
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07-09-2017 8:03 PM


Re: It's a good laugh
No Nukes did an edit job too. He launched into some name calling, then accused ME of "bluster". He edited out the name calling, but left the "bluster" part in

I did do that. I thought the name calling was inappropriate. I still think that. But I also think that "quote mining" not being in the dictionary is a stupid argument. I won't be removing the insult this time.


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marc9000
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Message 34 of 49 (814631)
07-11-2017 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by RAZD
07-09-2017 8:17 PM


Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again
Can you tell me how you justify the age of the earth? Just curious ... (*)

That's an attempt to completely change the subject. I think the moderators call it OFF TOPIC.

If the shoe fits, wear it. (too easy). Thanks for the entertainment.

The pleasure was all mine. Good luck in November of 2018!

** oh by the way, that's an edit after posting to add material ... oops I did it again ...

Yes, another VERY desperate attempt to change the subject. Don't worry, I'm almost done in this one.


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marc9000
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Message 35 of 49 (814636)
07-11-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by NoNukes
07-09-2017 8:39 PM


Re: It's a good laugh
I did do that. I thought the name calling was inappropriate. I still think that. But I also think that "quote mining" not being in the dictionary is a stupid argument. I won't be removing the insult this time.

You can thank RAZD for it being this much a part of this thread. It was only a small part of the link I put up in my first message in the thread, message 4. He "howled with laughter" at the whole link, and then specifically howled with laughter again when I pointed out the lack of definition, in message 20, without knowing a thing about the reality of two-word definitions. And in message 20, he got a green approval dot from an administrator here. As I alluded to earlier, he's loved and adored here NO MATTER WHAT he says or does. Either that, or "howling with laughter" is now a part of the scientific method, I don't know.

The term "quote mine" not being formally defined is significant however. It's now a largely meaningless term, completely subjective in how it's applied and defined. For it to be defined, the definition would probably have to have a step-by-step method of determining the difference between a dishonest quote mine versus honestly using someone's quote against them. I don't expect it to ever happen, it would call into question many quote mines that liberals/evolutionists hold dear. Separation of church and state, your 14th amendment applied to illegal immigrants, and one of John Adam's quotes about the U.S. having nothing to do with Christianity is another liberal favorite.

PS. Thank YOU also for your entertainment. Please don't pile on with subject change attempts, I'm done here for now.


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Message 36 of 49 (814651)
07-11-2017 1:33 PM
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07-11-2017 11:58 AM


Re: It's a good laugh
marc writes:

The term "quote mine" not being formally defined is significant however. It's now a largely meaningless term, completely subjective in how it's applied and defined.

Not being in a dictionary - because it's a phrase not a word - is not the same as not being defined. This is the definition from creation wiki, which you should have no reason to object to.

quote:
Quote mining is the practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as a logical fallacy known as "contextomy". It is a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning."[1]

http://creationwiki.org/Quote_mining


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Message 37 of 49 (814653)
07-11-2017 1:56 PM
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07-09-2017 1:49 PM


Re: It's a good laugh
You'll find all these at http://www.dictionary.com/. But you won't find "quote mine" there.

You will find 'contextomy' there though. Which has the same basic meaning. Good to get these very important issues hashed out, I'm sure.


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Message 38 of 49 (814723)
07-12-2017 10:57 AM
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07-11-2017 11:58 AM


Re: It's a good laugh
marc9000 writes:

The term "quote mine" not being formally defined is significant however.

It's not a problem because if you don't know what it means you can ask, and people will explain what it means. "Quote mining" is a lot easier to write than "pulling a quote out of context to twist its meaning into something it was not meant to say". It is just short hand.

Of course, we are all laughing at creationists because they say stupid things like "quote mining isn't in the dictionary, so creationists can't be doing it". It is a level of denial that even an ostrich with its head in the sand can see.


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Message 39 of 49 (814727)
07-12-2017 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by marc9000
07-11-2017 11:37 AM


Mostly off-topic say Adminnemooseus
That's an attempt to completely change the subject. I think the moderators call it OFF TOPIC.

And that's a dodge so you can keep from saying anything of value on any topic.

Actually the point was that you don't debate things like the age of the earth but post silly comments from silly people that say silly things like "quote mine is not in the dictionary" ... and I provided a list of threads that could be replied to if you were interested. Here they are again:

Message 32(*) -- out of curiosity I checked the posting log for all the current and past versions of my "Age of the Earth" threads and out of:

  1. Age Correlations and an Old Earth Version 1 number 1 (297 posts)
  2. Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Part II. Version 1 number 2 (306 posts)
  3. Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) (357 posts)
  4. Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 (currently 513 posts)

and the current version (26 posts) ... for a total of 1499 posts on the topic ... you have said squat.

Of course you could just say that you don't care how old the world actually is, that you aren't a YECie.

But then we have your anti-science climate change denial silliness. Also a hoot.

Enjoy

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Content hidden (use "peek" to see). Also "Off-Topic" banner.


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Message 40 of 49 (814776)
07-12-2017 8:07 PM
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07-12-2017 11:56 AM


Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again
marc9000 writes:

That's an attempt to completely change the subject. I think the moderators call it OFF TOPIC.

And that's a dodge so you can keep from saying anything of value on any topic.

How about it, Adminnemooseus? You've deleted the content in messages 15 and 16, and now in messages 32 & 39 I'm being taunted to go completely off topic. If I replied to his taunts here, would my replies be deleted, and his taunts stay up?

I hope you'll settle this disagreement here, I say the "age of the earth" is completely off topic in this thread, and RAZD seems to think it's not. If you don't answer, or if you answer incorrectly, I won't be able to satisfy his desire for an "age of the earth" debate. (in a new thread, of course) It could be a one-on-one, or here in the Coffee House, if he needs ALLLLLL his usual helpers. His choice.

If you agree that his taunts ARE off topic, I'll have to be in agreement with whatever disciplinary measures are taken against him, be it a warning, or suspension. Thank you.


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Message 41 of 49 (814785)
07-12-2017 9:18 PM
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07-12-2017 8:07 PM


Adminnemoose agrees with marc9000
The most recent RAZD message has been hidden (view-able via "peek").

My impression is that RAZD is spamming his topic(s) in one or more largely unrelated topic(s).

In general, RAZD needs to turn up the friendly a bit - He's running in the cranky mode.

Any replies to the message should/must go to General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List').

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that.

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Message 42 of 49 (814827)
07-13-2017 6:39 AM
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07-12-2017 8:07 PM


Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again, so marc9000 whines to admin
Okay, now you can acknowledge that your issue about quote-mining not being in the dictionary is resolved,

(a) because contextomy is in the dictionary

(b) encyclopedias, including creationwiki.org, define it: http://creationwiki.org/Quote_mining

quote:
Quote mining is the practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as a logical fallacy known as "contextomy". It is a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning."[1]

(c) because we all know what it means, being able users of the internet, and the internet defines it, and last but not least ...

(d) the issue of creationist quote mining is not rebutted by your silly argument ... and that IS the issue of this topic. Not other people quote mining politicians or other red herrings you want to throw into the room to deflect from the issue of creationists using quote mines to spread false information, falsehoods that people claiming some moral high ground via their religious beliefs should not be spreading ... lies and bearing false witness.

The joke is still on you because you still lose. You have not rebutted creationist use of quote-mines nor shown it is an uncommon creationist practice. You're just a nit-picker and not a debater. A troll.

Or you could, as I have suggested, go to the appropriate thread to answer

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : oh look I edited again ...


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Message 43 of 49 (814833)
07-13-2017 7:20 AM
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Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again, so marc9000 whines to admin
There's an (e) too: as an example, the word "bug-out" made it into the OED for the first time earlier this year. And yet anyone who has not been buried under a rock for the past few decades knows what it means. Dictionaries are not uncommonly behind the curve of some aspects of language use.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 44 of 49 (814847)
07-13-2017 9:22 AM
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Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again, so marc9000 whines to admin
vimesey writes:

Dictionaries are not uncommonly behind the curve of some aspects of language use.

Dictionaries MUST always be behind the curve based on language use since the way words get included is by looking at the current common usage.


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Message 45 of 49 (814849)
07-13-2017 10:09 AM
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Re: It's a good laugh LOLZ again, so marc9000 whines to admin
Dictionaries are not uncommonly behind the curve of some aspects of language use.

They must be:

Dictionaries are descriptive, not proscriptive.


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