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Message 16 of 59 (815440)
07-20-2017 8:57 AM
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07-20-2017 8:39 AM


Re: Science & Emotions
Even elite long distance runners have some body fat.
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According to Asker Jeukendrup, M.D. and Michael Gleeson, M.D. in their book "Sports Nutrition," male marathon runners should range from 5 to 11 percent body fat and women 10 to 15 percent body fat.
I doubt yours is below 15%. (Having never seen you )

This is Day3 and I am back on pace. I have been buying a wide variety of foods that fit the diet plan and have a selection of stuff to eat. My biggest problem so far is excess protein...it turns to sugar if you eat too much. I already have more energy, however. Stay tuned...


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Message 17 of 59 (815449)
07-20-2017 10:07 AM
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Re: Science & Emotions
I doubt yours is below 15%.

I bet it is. I'm 6'1" and 155 lbs. My BMI is 20.4 (not that that means much).

Maybe I'll upload a shirtless selfie... You can check out my ribs

Seriously though, I'm getting pretty ripped - I'll be looking like Bruce Lee soon enough.

(Having never seen you )

We were Facebook friends for a bit, but I unfriended you so as to not be worried about compromising my anonymity. It was nothing personal.

This is Day3 and I am back on pace. I have been buying a wide variety of foods that fit the diet plan and have a selection of stuff to eat. My biggest problem so far is excess protein...it turns to sugar if you eat too much.

I don't believe that. In my experience, eating excess protein just makes a bigger turd.

But I'm highly active, so may that's a big part of it.

Talk to your doctor, don't take advice on that from the internet.

I already have more energy, however. Stay tuned...

You gonna start exercising some?


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Message 18 of 59 (815691)
07-23-2017 8:02 AM
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Day 6-Gathering Information
Cat Sci writes:

Talk to your doctor, don't take advice on that from the internet.

The sad thing is that I have! They really don't have the answer.

Today is Sunday, July 23, 2017 and it's now Day 6 of my Healthy 4 Life rational recovery from a lifetime of improper eating and my misplaced trust in the "Best" Endocrinologists in Denver.

As usual, I have become a voracious reader and student regarding the diet route that I have chosen, and most of my research seems to bode favorably on the high Fat, moderate Protein, and Lo Glycemic Carbohydrate approach that I have chosen as my lifestyle. I have found some noteworthy researchers who have written a lot about this dietary approach besides Dr.Ron Rosedale. I will list a few interesting videos from some of these people...watch and judge for yourselves if you share my interest or are simply curious. Watch the first few minutes of this lecture by Dr.Rosedale. He is scientific enough to keep some of you entertained. No quack, this man.
"The Intimate Connection Between Cancer, Aging, Protein, and TOR" Ron Rosedale, MD
Another one whom I have found via the magic of google and the internet is Dr. Jason Fung.

quote:
Dr. Jason Fung completed medical school and internal medicine at the University of Toronto before finishing his nephrology fellowship at the University of California, Los Angeles at the Cedars-Sinai hospital.

Yes, he also has written a book but like Dr.Rosedale he is a practicing Doctor and most definitely has the science to back up his claims. More on these guys later. I am in the process of digesting all of the information that I can get my hands on.

Of course, as my own guinea pig, I will test these diets and theories on myself during the upcoming year. I can safely say this much: My Endocrinologists are rated as among the top ones in Denver, Colorado. I have talked with them quite a bit about Type II Diabetes and about the current theory on how to treat it. In summation, quite simply they are wrong. The science behind all of this is fascinating yet sobering. The best Doctors in our modern medical establishment can't or won't allow themselves to embrace the new information. Perhaps it is because it would put them out of business! Read this by Dr.Fung:
Medications that actually work for type 2 diabetes – T2D 40

Stay tuned! According to the general theory, it will take roughly 21-30 days for my body to switch from being a sugar burning mechanism to a fat burning mechanism. Today is #6. Somewhere between August 7th and August 16th I will have achieved my first goal.

After that, I will begin incorporating exercise into the routine on a routine basis---if for nothing more than to keep my metabolism revved up. My main target is subcutaneous visceral fat that is around my internal organs.

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Message 19 of 59 (815695)
07-23-2017 8:34 AM
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Re: Day 6-Gathering Information
IIRC the southbeach diet also discussed insulin production and resistance.

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Message 20 of 59 (815696)
07-23-2017 9:09 AM
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looking forward to this thread
I'm hoping this thread might help to motivate me to change my eating habits. I've contributed to Percy's threads on diet because I agree with the basic idea of majoring in fat and proteins and getting rid of carbohydrates, and when I've done that in the past it's been very effective. Most diet plans these days make use of this basic understanding so there's lots to choose from to fit personal needs and preferences, but my problem over the last few years is that I've lost all motivation. I know I'd feel a lot better if I ate better and lost weight but instead I've been eating all the stuff I know I shouldn't and gained a lot of weight and feel terrible.

So far I'm not frankly diabetic but I've been hovering at a slightly high blood sugar for years now. When the doctor tested me a few weeks ago I thought I might finally have gone over the top but I hadn't, I'm still hovering in that slightly high range. I do avoid sugar but I've gone back to carbs like bread, pasta and potatoes. A lot of my problem is practical: I don't feel up to making a meal, doing all the work of chopping vegetables, so I easily lapse into throwing together a sandwich, not only the bad carbs of bread but with the fat of mayo, and if it's a hamburger that's another no-no.

I also don't get to the store very often these days. I no longer drive, although if my car were functioning maybe I still could. My brother who would take me shopping every few weeks now has a medical condition that makes driving a problem for him so I have to get rides from the volunteer organization. In any case I don't get to the market often enough to stay stocked up on fresh vegetables, which would be the best thing for the kind of regime I'd like to be able to follow.

But that's a separate problem from all the prepping. If it isn't one thing it's another. I like to make vegetable juices but that too has become too much of a project for me as a regular thing, all that cleaning and prepping and then washing the juicer. Which is all harder to do because I don't feel very good because I'm not eating right and around we go.

So there's my sad story. All just to say I'm hoping to get a kick start to improve my own health from reading this thread and other people's success stories.

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Message 21 of 59 (815700)
07-23-2017 9:37 AM
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07-23-2017 9:09 AM


Re: looking forward to this thread
You mentioned a sandwich, with mayo.

Keep the sandwich, add more mayo, and lose the bread! It is not fats you have to avoid but the carbs, and bread is all carbs. Make it into a lettuce wrap.

Isn't it telling that when ranchers want to fatten up cattle they feed them grains, not fats? So, avoid the grains entirely! Same for potatoes and all the other carbs.

I lost 1/4 of my body weight over several years on a modified Paleo diet. Give it a try.


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Message 22 of 59 (815702)
07-23-2017 9:54 AM
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Re: looking forward to this thread
Yeah I know, coyote, and I do that once in a while, although I run out of lettuce long before my next shopping trip which is a problem. But I can't keep up my motivation on lettuce wraps. I just can't. I love sourdough bread too much. And it's very hard to have a hamburger on a lettuce wrap. Tuna or egg salad OK, or a taco salad kind of sandwich, but I have a thing for hamburgers on sourdough these days. the only way I'm going to be able to change this stuff is to COMPLETELY change things. Get rid of the hamburger completely. Halfway stuff like substituting lettuce for bread is not going to work for me. You'd think feeling lousy and looking lousy would do it but it isn't doing it. I need a radical change. Over the last few days I started thinking in terms of snack type meals. Nuts, guacamole dip, hummus etc. Wondering if I could make that sort of thing the basis of a change.
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Message 23 of 59 (815705)
07-23-2017 11:34 AM
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Re: Day 6-South Beach vs Rosedale
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The South Beach Diet plan is divided into four phases. Phase 1 is meant to introduce the dieter to the South Beach way of eating. It is designed to stabilize blood sugar and help the control cravings in the earliest stage of weight loss. The Phase 1 stage of the diet lasts for two weeks before starting the next phase.(...)Foods on the South Beach Diet Phase 1 list include lean proteins, vegetables, nuts and seeds, dairy, and beans and legumes. Phase 1 also allows for items intended to enhance the flavor of foods, such as fats, oils, seasonings, and condiments. Finally, Phase 1 allows the South Beach dieter to occasionally indulge in sweets, such as jams, jellies, and syrups.

Rosedale differs in that Rosedale wont allow any sweets for any reason.

Rosedale is made up of two phases. In the second phase, one can eat similar to how the first phase of the South Beach diet is. South Beach has three less restrictive phases, the 3rd phase being nothing more than common sense. In a way, the South Beach is less militant than the extreme ketogenic lifestyle at the other end of the spectrum.

I can see the wisdom in moderation, yet I also can see the practical effects of extreme carb deprivation--particularly in regards to Type-II Diabetes.

As I begin to observe the effects on my own body I will choose which path to take as a permanent lifestyle change.


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Message 24 of 59 (815706)
07-23-2017 11:43 AM
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07-23-2017 9:54 AM


Extreme Dieting vs Lifestyle
Faith writes:

I can't keep up my motivation on lettuce wraps. I just can't. I love sourdough bread too much. And it's very hard to have a hamburger on a lettuce wrap. Tuna or egg salad OK, or a taco salad kind of sandwich, but I have a thing for hamburgers on sourdough these days. the only way I'm going to be able to change this stuff is to COMPLETELY change things.

First off, IIRC sourdough bread metabolizes differently and thus may be ok in moderation. Let me do a bit of googling--->
Chasing the Perfect Bread for a Diabetic Diet

Note:

quote:
A surprising fact I stumbled across when researching the best bread for a diabetic diet was the benefits of sourdough. During the fermentation of this type of bread, acetic acid is produced. Most of us with diabetes know the benefits of acetic acid, the main ingredient in vinegar, for lowering blood sugar.

This is the reason pumpernickel bread is one of the better choices for a diabetes diet. Genuine pumpernickel uses a sourdough starter. Of course, this means you must read labels. The best place to find real sourdough pumpernickel is among the artisan breads at the grocery store, not in the bread aisle.


I think you should up your nuts and good fats....increasing so as to fully become a fat burner. You can keep the bread in moderation, but I recommend sprouted grain bread as well as sourdough. The key is the good fats.

Disclaimer: I don't know your specific health concerns, so would recommend you seeking wisdom from reliable sources as to your best strategy.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 25 of 59 (815708)
07-23-2017 1:59 PM
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07-23-2017 9:09 AM


Re: looking forward to this thread
I also don't get to the store very often these days. I no longer drive, although if my car were functioning maybe I still could. My brother who would take me shopping every few weeks now has a medical condition that makes driving a problem for him so I have to get rides from the volunteer organization. In any case I don't get to the market often enough to stay stocked up on fresh vegetables, which would be the best thing for the kind of regime I'd like to be able to follow.

I have no useful advice on diet, but when it comes to shopping; do you not have some kind of grocery delivery service where you live yet? I still go the shops a lot, but that's because I live in a densely populated area (nearest grocery store is ab 120 yards away' second nearest about 200 yards; and the nearest hypermarket a whopping third of a mile). However, a lot of our groceries we just have delivered. We use it mostly to keep stocked on heavy things that are annoying to carry home (booze, for example), but if we planned better and walking to the shops wasn't so simple, we could easily rely just on deliveries.


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Message 26 of 59 (815713)
07-23-2017 2:45 PM
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Re: looking forward to this thread
Nope, no deliveries available here. Also there is no such thing as a "shop" here, by which I suppose you mean a shop that specializes in particular items? Butcher, baker, cheese store etc.? Everything is a supermarket and the nearest one is about a mile. Nothing in Nevada is what you could call "densely populated," and my town is fairly small.
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Message 27 of 59 (815714)
07-23-2017 2:59 PM
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Re: Extreme Dieting vs Lifestyle
Thanks. I had in fact heard that sourdough is better than other breads for blood sugar, but then a helpful relative gasped when I said I'm addicted to it, because it isn't "nutrient dense," which is her thing. I'm really not a bread lover generally so if I give up the sourdough I'll just give up bread. I'll do some more reading up on it myself to decide whether to keep it or let it go.

I'd almost bet you couldn't find a loaf of pumpernickel anywhere in this town by the way. Things are a lot better than when I moved here almost thirty years ago but there are still plenty of things I could get in California I can't get here. When I moved here they'd never heard of espresso for instance, which I'd guzzled in California. Now we have Starbucks. And the only reason we have anything "exotic" at all is because Californians keep moving here.

But I'm not at the point where I'm ready to make decisions about what to change anyway, I'm just thinking about possibilities and hoping this thread might get me out of my rut. The only decision I've made is to get more nuts on my next shopping trip.

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Message 28 of 59 (815715)
07-23-2017 3:26 PM
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Re: looking forward to this thread
Nope, no deliveries available here. Also there is no such thing as a "shop" here, by which I suppose you mean a shop that specializes in particular items? Butcher, baker, cheese store etc.? Everything is a supermarket and the nearest one is about a mile. Nothing in Nevada is what you could call "densely populated," and my town is fairly small.

'Shop' in British English just means 'store' (if I understand correctly that store essentially means 'retail outlet'). We do have butchers. bakers, cheese shops etc.; but I don't tend to use them so much because they often tend to open during working hours, and because I don't have time to visit seven different places for my shopping.

But still; I like having them all there for when I do go. I've often thought living somewhere much more rural with real countryside would be nice; but every shop and service I require is currently within walking distance - it would be difficult to adjust from that.

Sorry for the topic detour.


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Message 29 of 59 (815718)
07-23-2017 3:46 PM
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Re: Day 6-South Beach vs Rosedale
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... Finally, Phase 1 allows the South Beach dieter to occasionally indulge in sweets, such as jams, jellies, and syrups.

And chocolate ... I gotta have vitamin chocolate ...

I can see the wisdom in moderation, yet I also can see the practical effects of extreme carb deprivation--particularly in regards to Type-II Diabetes.

Yep. I started SBeach when my doctor told me I was "pre-diabetic" and I did not need another long term health problem.

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Message 30 of 59 (815728)
07-23-2017 4:12 PM
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Re: Day 6-Starting to sense change
I have been sleeping a lot, still. I do sense that my lethargy is decreasing, although I still am weak...(or maybe just old!) but I attribute the lethargy to high insulin/high sugar in tandem. My A1C was 8.4 last visit, so imagine how surprised the Endocrinologist will be once I shed all (or most) of these expensive medications which caused as many problems as they solved.

Rosedale health Plan writes:

AVOID SUGAR AND STARCH
To jump start the fat burning process, during the first 3 weeks on the meal plan, eat as little non-fiber starch or sugar as possible. You don’t have to count carb grams; just don’t eat non-fiber carbs. Avoid all starches such as potatoes, bread, rice, pasta, cereal, corn and ALL GRAINS (yes, even whole grains.) Fill up with your plate with vegetables, with the exception of those high in sugar including beets, yams, carrots or tomatoes (though a few sliced carrots or cherry tomatoes in salads is okay). Vegetables are not mandatory, but they add a little nutrient value, most contain only a little sugar, and they add a greater selection to your diet. Limit your fruit intake. Contrary to popular opinion, it is best not to have any if you can, as the detriment of the sugar (especially fructose) will outweigh the possible benefit of the micronutrients they contain. A few berries, preferably blueberries would be fine. (Diabetics should avoid starch and sugar nearly all of the time.) After the first 3 weeks, and do not have known disease, you can add a bit more starch to your diet (such as a couple of slices of high fiber, low carb bread), as long as this does not increase your cravings for more. Again this is not necessary but only if you feel the need, there is no nutrient necessity.

EAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PROTEIN FOR YOU
Remember, this is a high-fat diet, not a high protein diet. You should eat the right amount of protein for your body type.
DON’T BE AFRAID OF FAT--BUT EAT GOOD FAT
This is a high-fat diet, so if you are hungry, you may eat fat! But stick to the good fats found in nuts, avocados, fatty fish, olives, etc.

My challenge over the next 3 weeks is to turn on the fat burning in my body.

I sense that change is very possible, but I worry about what permanent damage diabetes has caused.

jar is right. I still prefer fantasy over reality. I don't do reality very well.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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