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Message 31 of 59 (815733)
07-23-2017 5:06 PM
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07-23-2017 4:12 PM


Re: Day 6-Starting to sense change
Your regime sounds good.

But I would also include eggs. Vegetable omelettes are a good source.

I also supplement with a couple of ounces of organic raw heavy cream into which I shave about .02 grams of unsweetened chocolate--not enough to bother things but it does add some nice flavor.

The cream gives a lot of fat in relation to protein, and getting enough fat is a real problem sometimes. A link to the type I use:

https://www.organicpastures.com/heavyrawcream/


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It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 32 of 59 (815757)
07-24-2017 6:44 AM
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07-23-2017 9:37 AM


Re: looking forward to this thread
It is not fats you have to avoid but the carbs, and bread is all carbs. Make it into a lettuce wrap.

Lettuce is a good wrap. But other leafy vegetables make a sometimes surprisingly good wrap. One example: Those big, fresh collard leaves are really good wraps. I had to work hard to get my wife to try them. She could not believe uncooked collard leaves would be any good, but she was pleasantly surprised.

Maybe a little variety will help you leave those loaves on the store shelf.


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Message 33 of 59 (815770)
07-24-2017 9:54 AM
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07-23-2017 8:02 AM


Re: Day 6-Gathering Information
In summation, quite simply they are wrong.

There's a reason they call it a "practice"

According to the general theory, it will take roughly 21-30 days for my body to switch from being a sugar burning mechanism to a fat burning mechanism.

If you can do it for a month, you have successfully changed your routine.

If you can do it for three months, you have successfully changed your lifesyle.

If you do end up changing your routine, you should notice in a month that you feel a lot better.

Change your lifestyle and you won't look back - 'cause it's awesome not being fat anymore.

After that, I will begin incorporating exercise into the routine on a routine basis-

Whoa, why are you waiting? Start exercising today!

Make a rule: Don't let yourself play on your computer unless you've walked for 30 minutes first


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Message 34 of 59 (815771)
07-24-2017 9:56 AM
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07-23-2017 5:06 PM


Can you buy that cream at a grocery store?
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Message 35 of 59 (815773)
07-24-2017 10:02 AM
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07-24-2017 9:56 AM


Can you buy that cream at a grocery store?

The specific brand I linked to is carried by our local grocery store. The company's website includes a list of stores which carry their products, but it may be more regional than national.

Otherwise, there should be other companies that offer a similar product.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 36 of 59 (815878)
07-26-2017 12:38 AM


Weigh-In Day 8.
I weighed in at 229.7 tonite. Call it 230-235. That's my official starting weight.

I've been walking each break at work --in order to keep my metabolism higher....and I would guess that already I have dropped 8 pounds in the first week...although the first week never should count since it's usually mainly excess water weight!

Again, this project is not focused on the weight loss so much as blood sugar and overall body health. I will be out of town all of the second week...the 28th-August 3rd. Based on my calculations, I should hit prime fat burning mode by mid August. Stay tuned!


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Message 37 of 59 (815902)
07-26-2017 8:50 AM
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07-26-2017 12:38 AM


Re: Weigh-In Day 8.
I'm inspired. Starting my own program today...

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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Message 38 of 59 (815904)
07-26-2017 8:57 AM
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07-26-2017 12:38 AM


Re: Weigh-In Day 8.
I would guess that already I have dropped 8 pounds in the first week...although the first week never should count since it's usually mainly excess water weight!

Yeah, the number isn't all that important. But it is a metric.

I'd be interested in reading about any physical changes you notice, or how differently you're feeling.

Can you test your blood sugar at home? Not that you ought to record it here, but that might be a good metric to keep track of on your own.

Or pants size... I went from a 42" waist to a 32" waist That's the size I wore in high school 20 years ago!

I've been walking each break at work --in order to keep my metabolism higher....

Don't forget to push yourself. You should be gradually increasing your output.


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Message 39 of 59 (815912)
07-26-2017 10:18 AM
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07-26-2017 12:38 AM


Re: Weigh-In Day 8.
I weighed in at 229.7 tonite. Call it 230-235. That's my official starting weight

I use waist girth as a measure of body fat. Weight can go up as you build muscles because they are more dense than fat. This is why concentrating on weight loss can be frustrating ... you can even gain weight while losing fat, and that's a good thing.

I've been walking each break at work ...

Can you park a block away from work to add walking time? You can progressively increase this distance with little effort. My last job I could bicycle along a bikepath to work, both enjoyable and good excercise.

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Message 40 of 59 (815937)
07-26-2017 3:08 PM
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Re: Weigh-In Day 8.
RAZD writes:

Weight can go up as you build muscles because they are more dense than fat. This is why concentrating on weight loss can be frustrating ... you can even gain weight while losing fat, and that's a good thing.

This is very true. The last time I went on this diet, several years ago, I began working out right away. The first month I GAINED 10 lb! I felt much stronger and better, though! This time, armed with the knowledge and experience I have from my gambling sobriety, I am eager to change my lifestyle for good.

Yesterday I took my diabetes drug (once weekly as usual) Trulicity and I felt horrible! I'm not taking that drug anymore. As long as I stay on this diet, the blood sugars will be controlled.

Negative Reports About Trulicity

Can you park a block away from work to add walking time? You can progressively increase this distance with little effort.
Already I can tell you that getting exercise will be no problem...in fact a joy for me.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 41 of 59 (816282)
08-02-2017 10:33 AM


Day 16 brings good news
I just got back into town from a week at a funeral/celebration in Missouri. During the entire trip, I was strictly on the low carb regiman, even though my energy flagged quite often. The experts say this will happen.
experts writes:

Please keep in mind that during the first 2-4 weeks on this program, your body will be in a transition period wherein you will be ‘unlearning’ how to burn sugar and ‘learning’ how to burn fat. During this time, you may feel a slight drop in energy level and a general ‘slowness’. Please do not be discouraged, as this is only temporary. Once your body becomes adept at burning your own fat stores, you will have a constant supply of energy always available and your overall health will vastly improve. The transition period may vary in length between individuals, but EVERYONE gets better, no exceptions.

There are 3 main rules
1. AVOID SUGARS AND STARCHES. The fewer the better; choose your health.
2. Eat the appropriate amount of protein for a person’s size. (lean mass). Guideline
example, most people will require 40-60 grams a day depending on their size.
Estimated desired weight in kilograms. 1 gram of protein per kilogram of desired
weight per day divided up in 3 servings per day. Give or take about 5 grams a
day.
3. If you limit omega 6 fatty acids found in corn oil, peanut oil, soy bean oil, sesame
oil, sunflower oil, and follow the guidelines then most foods can be eaten as
desired.

We see a number of athletes with extremely high energy demands and, while skeptical at first, they all end up saying the same thing. Not only is a diet like this healthier overall for a person's life, but athletic performance is greatly improved when a person burns fat and becomes sensitive to insulin and leptin. The body can make enough sugar naturally to fulfill the basic needs of even the most devout athlete. When it runs on primarily fat, there is no need to re-fuel or load up on sugar before the event. You hear about athletes "hitting the wall", that happens when they run out of sugar and lack the ability to efficiently burn fat. On a program like this, that doesn't happen. They can preform at a higher level for a much longer period of time. Of course there will be a learning curve. For the first two to four weeks, they may suffer a bit of a lag, but once that fat-burning kicks in, the results are incredible.

I weighed in yesterday and was astounded! I weigh 223.7!! Adding in a water weight fluctuation factor of 6 pounds, my official weight is 224-230.

The fat burning has not yet kicked in though.I was very tired the whole week.not upon waking, but during the day I felt like a car with the idle set too low...I kept sputtering. This must be the lag.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

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Message 42 of 59 (816289)
08-02-2017 11:20 AM
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08-02-2017 10:33 AM


Re: Day 16 brings good news
Some folks try adding a little B12 to the regime; see if that helps with the fatigue.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 43 of 59 (816291)
08-02-2017 12:05 PM
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08-02-2017 10:33 AM


Re: Day 16 brings good news
Once your body becomes adept at burning your own fat stores, you will have a constant supply of energy always available and your overall health will vastly improve.

That is consistent with my experience.

And now that I'm about out of fat to burn, I get my energy directly from my food. So now I have to actually try to put weight back on.

Please keep in mind that during the first 2-4 weeks on this program, your body will be in a transition period wherein you will be ‘unlearning’ how to burn sugar and ‘learning’ how to burn fat.

Yeah, that's going from glycosis to ketosis.

Also keep in mind that ketosis has to be maintained and that you can fall back into glycosis as the default. So, if you have a bad timeframe where you end up eating a bunch of sugar, you're going to go back into glycosis and then you're going to have to go back through the "learning process" to get your body back into ketosis. The point being: don't fuck it up by eating sugar.

I weighed in yesterday and was astounded! I weigh 223.7!! Adding in a water weight fluctuation factor of 6 pounds, my official weight is 224-230.

Nice, keep on it.

I weighed 157 this morning. The most I ever saw on a scale was 245, iirc.

The fat burning has not yet kicked in though.I was very tired the whole week.not upon waking, but during the day I felt like a car with the idle set too low...I kept sputtering. This must be the lag.

Maybe do some caffeine?


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Message 44 of 59 (816302)
08-02-2017 2:55 PM
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Re: Day 16 brings good news
Maybe do some caffeine?

I don't think that would help - loads of carbs and sugar in my diet.


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08-02-2017 3:23 PM
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Re: Day 16 brings good news
So you're made of fat, then? Good energy source
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