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Message 31 of 61 (838798)
08-28-2018 1:34 PM
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08-28-2018 1:23 PM


Faith writes:

don't know where you get the notion of a Christian Progressive Creation, looks to me like a one-time thing in scripture....


What's really amusing is that the two creationists on the forum don't agree about how creation happened.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 32 of 61 (838799)
08-28-2018 2:03 PM
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08-28-2018 1:34 PM


For some reason EvC gets a motley collection of creationists. We hardly ever agree about anything.
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Message 33 of 61 (838800)
08-28-2018 2:08 PM
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08-28-2018 2:03 PM


Faith writes:

For some reason EvC gets a motley collection of creationists. We hardly ever agree about anything.


That's because creationism has no mechanism for correction like science has. Creationists are free to be arrogant about their own opinions.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 34 of 61 (838802)
08-28-2018 2:16 PM
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08-28-2018 2:08 PM


Well, at least I'd say those of us that like to try out our personal ideas are attracted to EvC for that purpose.
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Message 35 of 61 (838811)
08-28-2018 4:12 PM
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08-28-2018 2:16 PM


Very good Faith
Faith writes:

Well, at least I'd say those of us that like to try out our personal ideas are attracted to EvC for that purpose.

Very good Faith, finally something valid related to Creationism; that it is simply personal ideas and totally unsupported by evidence, reason, reality or even the Bible.


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Message 36 of 61 (838812)
08-28-2018 6:27 PM
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08-28-2018 3:26 AM


Dredge writes:

PE is magic masquerading as science.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.


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Message 37 of 61 (838813)
08-28-2018 6:28 PM
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08-28-2018 1:23 PM


Faith writes:

Welcome back dredgie. I agree that PE is magic masquerading as science.

Can you explain how a snail species migrating to a new area is magic?


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Message 38 of 61 (838823)
08-28-2018 9:53 PM
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08-28-2018 6:28 PM


The snail species didn't migrate anywhere, it got killed and buried by the Flood and stayed right where we find it in the strata.

And so did all the other species of snail in other parts of the strata, same as for every species of everything else too. Movement is purely an imaginative or magical idea.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 39 of 61 (838826)
08-29-2018 12:33 AM
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08-28-2018 9:53 PM


Faith writes:

And so did all the other species of snail in other parts of the strata, same as for every species of everything else too. Movement is purely an imaginative or magical idea.

Wow, the irony of you calling evidence imaginary or magic. You, who are enraptured by a completely imaginary creator. After 17 years here, the only person you've convinced is yourself.

What a waste.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 40 of 61 (838842)
08-29-2018 11:26 AM
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08-29-2018 12:33 AM


Wow, the irony of you calling evidence imaginary or magic. You, who are enraptured by a completely imaginary creator. After 17 years here, the only person you've convinced is yourself.

What a waste.

I agree, that's pretty sad, but just as a matter of fact I was away for long periods during that seventeen years and I think it has been more like maybe eight years of total waste here.

However, it's just a matter of logic that, if the Flood deposited the strata with their fossils, the whole idea that you can trace geographical movements and evolutionary patterns from the fossils is strictly imaginary.


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Message 41 of 61 (838847)
08-29-2018 11:57 AM
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08-29-2018 11:26 AM


Faith writes:

... if the Flood deposited the strata with their fossils, the whole idea that you can trace geographical movements and evolutionary patterns from the fossils is strictly imaginary.


And if pigs could fly, the whole idea of aerodynamics would be strictly imaginary. But the evidence shows that pigs can't fly and the idea of aerodynamics works pretty well.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 42 of 61 (838852)
08-29-2018 12:17 PM
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08-29-2018 11:57 AM


Still, the logic remains correct: if the Flood is the cause then the whole evolutionary interpretation is imaginary.
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Message 43 of 61 (838855)
08-29-2018 12:24 PM
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08-29-2018 12:17 PM


Faith writes:

Still, the logic remains correct: if the Flood is the cause then the whole evolutionary interpretation is imaginary.


Good logic is worth nothing without true premises. The evidence shows that the Flood is a false premise, so no amount of good logic can make your conclusion true. The evidence also shows that evolution is a true conclusion; logic that leads from false premises to false conclusions is not all that impressive.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 44 of 61 (838859)
08-29-2018 12:32 PM
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08-29-2018 12:24 PM


Well, the premise is true. Science does not show otherwise, only mass delusion.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 45 of 61 (838861)
08-29-2018 12:35 PM
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08-29-2018 12:32 PM


All elephants have four legs
All tables have four legs
Therefore all elephants are tables

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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