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ringo
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Message 46 of 61 (838862)
08-29-2018 12:37 PM
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08-29-2018 12:32 PM


Faith writes:

Well, the premise is true. Science does not show otherwise, only mass delusion.


Science shows that the premise is false. If you want to call science a mass delusion, go ahead, but you don't get to redefine science just to make yor logic work.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 47 of 61 (838866)
08-29-2018 12:40 PM
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08-29-2018 12:17 PM


Faith writes:

Still, the logic remains correct: if the Flood is the cause then the whole evolutionary interpretation is imaginary.

All the evidence shows that the flood is imaginary. The flood is not the topic of this thread. You have had dozens of flood threads to argue about your imaginary flood. You have dragged dozens of non-flood threads into the mud, so if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute about the basics of Punctuated Equilibrium why don't you piss off?


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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 48 of 61 (838867)
08-29-2018 12:41 PM
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08-29-2018 12:37 PM


This science is wrong.
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Message 49 of 61 (838869)
08-29-2018 12:43 PM
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08-29-2018 12:40 PM


There is no evidence that shows the Flood is imaginary. For that to be the case you have to ignore the abundant evidence of the fossils and the strata, which you do by redefining them to fit your "science."

Punctuated Equilibrium is based on the nonsensical interpretation of the fossils as showing evolution up the geologic column. It's nothing but a mental notion, and the Flood explains it a lot better. Which means that PE is a magic trick just like all the other evo interpretations of the fossil record are.


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Message 50 of 61 (838874)
08-29-2018 1:06 PM
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08-29-2018 12:41 PM


Faith writes:

This science is wrong.


Empty denial.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 51 of 61 (838876)
08-29-2018 1:13 PM
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08-29-2018 12:43 PM


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There is no evidence that shows the Flood is imaginary. For that to be the case you have to ignore the abundant evidence of the fossils and the strata, which you do by redefining them to fit your "science."

The evidence of the fossils and the strata show an old Earth and evolution, not your Flood. This has been discussed many times here and repeating old falsehoods is hardly going to convince anyone.

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Punctuated Equilibrium is based on the nonsensical interpretation of the fossils as showing evolution up the geologic column.

You are doubly wrong since punctuated equilibriumwas based on Mayrís theory of speciation and evolution is by far the best explanation of the order of the fossil record.

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It's nothing but a mental notion, and the Flood explains it a lot better.

As we have seen the Flood utterly fails to explain the fossil record.

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Which means that PE is a magic trick just like all the other evo interpretations of the fossil record are.

Except that it does fit with the fossil record - and the Flood doesnít.


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Message 52 of 61 (838897)
08-29-2018 6:18 PM
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08-28-2018 9:53 PM


Faith writes:

The snail species didn't migrate anywhere, it got killed and buried by the Flood and stayed right where we find it in the strata.

It's funny that you accuse me of believing in magic simply because I propose migration as a mechanism for a species to move around. You then turn around and propose a magical flood, all without any self awareness of sense of irony. I don't know if I should laugh or what.

And so did all the other species of snail in other parts of the strata, same as for every species of everything else too. Movement is purely an imaginative or magical idea.

So I guess people are just making stuff up when they talk about this invasive mussel species that is quickly invading Minnesota:

https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/...nimals/zebramussel/index.html

If you live out in the Great Basin the western US you already know about cheat grass which is an invasive plant species that moved here in the last 200 years.

Oh, and let's not forget about the invasive python species that just migrated to Florida.

Yeah, this is all magic and it never happens without a global flood.


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Message 53 of 61 (838898)
08-29-2018 6:59 PM
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08-29-2018 6:18 PM


If you live out in the Great Basin the western US you already know about cheat grass which is an invasive plant species that moved here in the last 200 years.

We are still seeing debris carrying marine species from the coast of Japan, along the west coast of North America, initiated primarily by the tsunami following the Tōhoku earthquake on 11 March 2011.

I don't know if I should laugh or what.

Laughter helps


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 54 of 61 (838899)
08-29-2018 8:02 PM
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08-29-2018 6:59 PM


Laughter is the appropriate response when someone asserts a Biblical Flood happened.
Laughter is the appropriate response when someone asserts a Biblical Flood happened. It's the best response but not until the person is approaching their teens. Generally about the fourth grade; nine or ten years old; is a reasonable cut off point when it is appropriate to no longer humor them and pretend one of the Biblical Flood myths actually happened.

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Message 55 of 61 (838900)
08-29-2018 8:30 PM
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08-29-2018 6:18 PM


Of course there are migrations, I said nothing about that, what I said was that it's ridiculous to think you can tell such things from the fossil record.
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Message 56 of 61 (838901)
08-29-2018 11:49 PM
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08-29-2018 12:35 PM


elephant tables
All elephants have four legs
All tables have four legs
Therefore all elephants are tables

Elephant Tables

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 57 of 61 (838926)
08-30-2018 3:54 PM
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Faith writes:

Of course there are migrations, I said nothing about that, what I said was that it's ridiculous to think you can tell such things from the fossil record.

Why is it ridiculous?


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Message 58 of 61 (838950)
08-30-2018 10:08 PM
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08-29-2018 12:32 PM


Well, the premise is true. Science does not show otherwise, only mass delusion.

Mass delusion of scientists, you mean? Suggested unironically by the unofficial spokesmouth of humankind's greatest mass delusion?

Self-awareness - Google it.


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Message 59 of 61 (838978)
08-31-2018 5:00 PM
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08-30-2018 3:54 PM


Taq writes:

Faith writes:

Of course there are migrations, I said nothing about that, what I said was that it's ridiculous to think you can tell such things from the fossil record.

Why is it ridiculous?

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Message 60 of 61 (838979)
08-31-2018 5:19 PM
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08-29-2018 8:02 PM


Re: Laughter is the appropriate response when someone asserts a Biblical Flood happened.
jar writes:

Laughter is the appropriate response when someone asserts a Biblical Flood happened....

2Peter3:3-10 writes:

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


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