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Faith
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Message 181 of 195 (817872)
08-21-2017 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by JonF
08-21-2017 8:57 AM


Re: Laguna Beach
I've used no hate speech at all. Leftists pretend everybody on the right is a racist but the racists are really on the Left these days. I don't even know what you are referring to for starters, but you ought to be suspended for namecalling and lying.

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JonF
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Message 182 of 195 (817883)
08-21-2017 12:11 PM
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08-21-2017 11:34 AM


Re: Laguna Beach
Leftists pretend everybody on the right is a racist but the racists are really on the Left these days.

Anti-"racist" protestors apparently, I guess to squelch another moment of free speech planned for tomorrow. Then I found a news story about it. So again we've got protestors against, not white supremacists, in this case just Americans who want to call attention to crimes committed by illegal aliens. Can't do that, it's "racist." Can't rule our own borders, that's "racist." And they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so.

A few examples of your hate speech. There are hundreds more.

I was referring to your refusal to support any of your wacky claims. Specifically "they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so" and your claim that BLM is a violent organization.

Did any of the horrible things you predicted happen?

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JonF
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Message 183 of 195 (817889)
08-21-2017 12:32 PM


There are known Jewish leftist conspiracies, they ARE Jewish and they ARE leftist. ... But identifying a Jewish leftist conspiracy, though it's going to get you falsely branded by the Left as a racist anti-Semite hater pig, is just being precise.

I agree he's "targeting" meaning identifying Jews - a particular group of Jews, Leftist activist Jews who do have an agenda that comes out of their early Communist identity, then their identity in the 60s Frankfurt School/Cultural Marxism which has wreaked so much havoc since the 60s and fueled a lot of the hatred on the Left against America and against white people. You may ask why it's a particularly Jewish conspiracy, but the only answer is that it simply is. They somehow see it as their mission to bring down the West. That was Marx's mission, and in his own different way, Freud's as well.

That doesn't change the fact that there is in reality a Leftist Jewish conspiracy against western civilization as well as Jews who are avid American patriots who oppose them.

He is talking about more than one occasion where he saw Jewish Leftists impersonating the KKK.

(He saw people he thought were Jewish in the KKK. Just by their looks in a photograph.)

Yes it was a white supremacist who drove the car into the Leftist crowd. But the point here is that if you're going to condemn one hateful racist group you should also condemn the others, and BLM and Antifa are hateful racist groups that have threatened to kill "white people" and in the case of BLM have already killed many cops.

(Nope)

On the other hand my impression is that BLM for sure and possibly also Antifa, want a Holocaust of the white race.

(Nope)

The evidence is good that the BLM are out to kill cops and white people and are happy to say so. And maybe of interest, I've found many black voices at You Tube who condemn them as racist and murderous.
The weird thing is that there are white people who hate white people these days. It's the PC Leftist thing to do.

(Calling them racist and murderous does not make them racist and murderous. The evidence of their actions and statements could, if there were any such.)

They're way out of line but since it's the Left calling for pulling down the statues, the Left denouncing the "white race" and pursuing lots of similar anti-American positions, they have a grain of truth on their side.

I'm saying Black Lives Matter is violent and racist and have committed murders. They were also formed on refusing to recognize that it was criminal behavior that provoked the cops they now want to kill for doing their duty. I'm not even sure they have a single justified complaint. They are irrationally racist and violent and they are pawns of the Left.

Why now when there IS better evidence is a murdering destructive rampage considered justifiable?

Something called a "free speech rally" in Boston by Trump supporters was interrupted by the usual mob of crazed Leftists falsely calling it racist. BLM was there, Antifa was there, throwing stuff including urine, and free speech was squelched, not racist speech because as far as I've been able to find out it wasn't white supremacists, it was just some Trump supporters who are not racist. If that is the case then it is just the latest in Leftist fascist tyranny by today's version of the brownshirts who are the real racists these days. But as I say it's hard to find out what it was really all about. The MSM didn't even mention the involvement of BLM and Antifa, I found that at You Tube, but haven't listened to any of it yet. Who organized the rally for what purpose I haven't yet found out except that it is called a Trump rally.

(Free speech was not squelched. The Free Speech protest was not interrupted. The MSM did mention BLM and Antifa.)


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Faith
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Message 184 of 195 (817891)
08-21-2017 12:36 PM
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08-21-2017 12:32 PM


I see, a typical kneejerk excuse for calling people names. Like the whole idiot Left. Jews themselves identify faces as Jewish or not. Jerk.

There isn't a racist word in anything you've quoted of me.

Calling white people the cause of all the problems in the world is racist. If you need quotes you are way out of touch.

Talkiing about wanting to kill Jews is racist.

Identifying accusers pf racism as racists is racist these days. Figures. Obviously you're the racist in this discussion.

And when a discussion has degenerated to the point that the only topic is racism we can be sure we've entered Leftist Stupid Zone since Leftists have no ability to think above such mindless fingerpointing. No ability to tell the difference between illegality and racism, no ability to recognize that criminal provocation of a cop does not make the cop racist. What a bunch of jerks you all are.

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Message 185 of 195 (817900)
08-21-2017 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
08-20-2017 6:26 AM


Re: Laguna Beach
I wouldn't have known about this except I have a relative who lives there and mentioned it in an email. According to her, protestors are being bussed in to Laguna Beach. Anti-"racist" protestors apparently, I guess to squelch another moment of free speech planned for tomorrow. Then I found a news story about it. So again we've got protestors against, not white supremacists, in this case just Americans who want to call attention to crimes committed by illegal aliens. Can't do that, it's "racist." Can't rule our own borders, that's "racist." And they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so.

'Bussing in' protestors is something I hear Americans talk about a lot, complete with the implication that a) this is somehow wrong, and b) the protestors on the bus are getting paid.

Now, I know nothing about the particular case you're discussing here, but I have been 'bussed in' to several protests. I've even helped organise the buses. None of us were paid to be on those buses - on the contrary, we had to pay. The cost of renting the bus and petrol was covered by charging people for a space on the bus.

I'm unclear what the issue is supposed to be here? Is there something wrong with attending a protest if you don't live walking distance from the venue? Generally these things are aimed at national or state governments, after all, not just the local council.


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Faith
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Message 186 of 195 (817911)
08-21-2017 2:50 PM
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08-21-2017 1:41 PM


Re: Laguna Beach
That sounds reasonable, but whenever I've heard of protestors being bussed in they are paid, they don't care about the issues, all they care about is the money, and they are sometimes instructed to be violent.
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JonF
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Message 187 of 195 (817954)
08-22-2017 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Faith
08-21-2017 12:36 PM


I see, a typical kneejerk excuse for calling people names. Like the whole idiot Left. Jews themselves identify faces as Jewish or not. Jerk.
There isn't a racist word in anything you've quoted of me.

Sorry, a well-reasoned and supported response.

Hate Speech Law and Legal Definition:

quote:
Hate speech is a communication that carries no meaning other than the expression of hatred for some group, especially in circumstances in which the communication is likely to provoke violence. It is an incitement to hatred primarily against a group of persons defined in terms of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender, religion, sexual orientation, and the like. Hate speech can be any form of expression regarded as offensive to racial, ethnic and religious groups and other discrete minorities or to women.

hate speech:

quote:
Speech that attacks, threatens, or insults a person or group on the basis of national origin, ethnicity, color, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or disability.

Debating Hate Speech:

quote:
Hate speech is speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits.

The shoe fits, Faith. Put it on. Hate speech is not necessarily racist.

Calling white people the cause of all the problems in the world is racist. If you need quotes you are way out of touch.

I've never made any such claim. I guess I'm way out of touch. Let's see some quotes.

Hey, how are you doing on supporting your claim about BLM being a violent organization? And "they apparently get paid to go wherever anyone thinks otherwise and prevent them from saying so."?

You have no intention of supporting those lies. You can't. You have no interest whatsoever in truth. Just hate and rage. Sad!

Talkiing about wanting to kill Jews is racist.

Identifying accusers pf racism as racists is racist these days. Figures. Obviously you're the racist in this discussion.

Talk about knee-jerk responses! I haven't accused anyone of racism. Got quotes? Of course not.

And when a discussion has degenerated to the point that the only topic is racism we can be sure we've entered Leftist Stupid Zone since Leftists have no ability to think above such mindless fingerpointing. No ability to tell the difference between illegality and racism, no ability to recognize that criminal provocation of a cop does not make the cop racist. What a bunch of jerks you all are.

Well, it's good we haven't reached that point. I've challenged you to support your claims and you have no interest in doing so. I've pointed out that your posts meet the definition of hate speech. You're the only fixated on racism. We're not discussing racism, we're discussing your and the right wing's lies.

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Message 188 of 195 (817955)
08-22-2017 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
08-21-2017 2:50 PM


Re: Laguna Beach
Bullshit.

Prove it. Prove any of it.


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JonF
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Message 189 of 195 (817956)
08-22-2017 8:11 AM


White supremacists want to burn books as an example of free speech. The irony is strong is this one!

http://www.ocweekly.com/...ed-after-leftist-backlash-8342954


  
Faith
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Message 190 of 195 (817959)
08-22-2017 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by JonF
08-22-2017 8:06 AM


Nothing you've said about me is true, it's all your own hateful mentality talking.

I'm just glad there is going to be final justice in this universe against such hateful lies even though there isn't at EvC or anywhere the Left runs things.

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Message 191 of 195 (817965)
08-22-2017 9:17 AM
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08-22-2017 8:19 AM


Worry not Faith; just remember that when you do come face to face he says "you can call me Al."

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Message 192 of 195 (817984)
08-22-2017 11:24 AM
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08-22-2017 8:19 AM


Nothing you've said about me is true, it's all your own hateful mentality talking.

I.e. you give up, you have no support for your lies, you're not even going to try, you just unquestioningly embrace lies, hate, and rage as long as it's right-wing.

Are you a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ?


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Message 193 of 195 (818093)
08-23-2017 12:42 PM
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08-18-2017 4:50 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:

Isn't possible to denounce both according to you?

Do you denounce the anti-fascist American soldiers in WW II as much as you denounce the fascist Nazi soldiers?


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Message 194 of 195 (818161)
08-24-2017 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
08-21-2017 2:50 PM


Re: Laguna Beach
That sounds reasonable, but whenever I've heard of protestors being bussed in they are paid, they don't care about the issues, all they care about is the money, and they are sometimes instructed to be violent.

That's all people ever talk about, yes, but I am dubious how often this sort of thing actually happens. All I ever see is someone posting a photo of people on a coach; and then implying or declaring that they're paid protestors bussed in. That's the extent of the evidence.

I'm certainly not denying the possibility that political parties or pressure groups may pay people to attend protests sometimes, but I think the accusation is usually just a baseless accusation to discredit whichever protest the accuser happens to disagree with.

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Message 195 of 195 (818162)
08-24-2017 1:08 PM
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08-24-2017 12:48 PM


Re: Laguna Beach
but I think the accusation is usually just a baseless accusation to discredit whichever protest the accuser happens to disagree with

Perhaps it is just my weariness with this topic, but I think your post is the height of understatement. Way too kind hearted. Some folks will go to any length... fabricate and believe any conspiracy story however facially bogus and devoid of evidence just to hold onto bull shit beliefs. (Cue RAZD here...)

While we may all be guilty of doing that to some extent; as was pointed out on another thread, most people are not persuaded by facts; few people even could do it on the scale evidenced here. In danger of seeing the racist nature of Charlottesville posters? Easily cured with an inoculation BS made up conspiracy crap from where ever.

"I hadn't yet read any of my favorite conservative sources." No translation needed for that.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

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