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Taq
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Message 106 of 195 (817405)
08-17-2017 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
08-17-2017 11:28 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:

He certainly didn't defend the white supremacists, he merely pointed out that they were apparently peacefully assembled for their protest and the Leftists crashed the party.

The white supremacists showed up armed with shields, clubs, and in some instances with guns. Peace was not on their agenda, and it never has been.


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Joe T
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Message 107 of 195 (817425)
08-17-2017 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
08-17-2017 11:28 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
He certainly didn't defend the white supremacists, he merely pointed out that they were apparently peacefully assembled for their protest and the Leftists crashed the party. The Leftists did have permits but not permits for that same park.

If that is what he is saying, then Horowitz could not be more wrong. I live about 1.5 hrs away and have friends and cousins who live in Charlottesville. On Friday night about 250 torch bearing Klansmen/Nazis/Supremacists marched through the University of Virginia (UVA) without a permit. About 60 college students (not Antifa or BLM - college students) came out and gathered around the statue of Thomas Jefferson. The 250 surrounded the college students, verbally and at times physically assaulting them. The next day the Nazis voided their permit for their Saturday assembly by reneging on the agreements they had made with the police on when, how and where they would enter the park. The Nazis chose to enter the park such that they would guarantee a confrontation with the counter protesters (who included clergy from many local churches). It was after the Nazis went back on their word to the police that the Charlottesville PD declared this an unlawful assembly.

This is not secret knowledge. This is stuff that anybody who followed the events should know. That Horowitz ignored actual events to paint the counter protesters as the instigators is amazing to me. He either is spouting off about something without knowing anything about it or is engaging is some form of propaganda.


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Faith
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Message 108 of 195 (817434)
08-17-2017 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Joe T
08-17-2017 12:53 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
How could there be two such entirely different sets of facts?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 109 of 195 (817447)
08-17-2017 1:51 PM
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08-17-2017 11:45 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
If the version that says the Nazi group was the instigators is true they should not have been allowed to demonstrate at all.

But neither should BLM or Antifa.


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PaulK
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Message 110 of 195 (817449)
08-17-2017 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
08-17-2017 11:28 AM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
In fairness I think that people who want another Holocaust are worse than those who don't.
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Faith
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Message 111 of 195 (817451)
08-17-2017 2:03 PM
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08-17-2017 2:00 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
I think those who want another Holocaust of the Jews should not ever be given a public voice, and any violent actions or even threats of violence should be prosecuted..

On the other hand my impression is that BLM for sure and possibly also Antifa, want a Holocaust of the white race.

they shoujldn't be given a public voice either and there should be serious police action taken against these groups.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 112 of 195 (817453)
08-17-2017 2:18 PM
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08-17-2017 2:03 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
quote:

On the other hand my impression is that BLM for sure and possibly also Antifa, want a Holocaust of the white race.

I'm pretty sure that a lot of the Antifa are white. And as for BLM I think you've been listening to too much racist propaganda. Have any BLM members outright threatened to have people shoved into ovens ?


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Faith
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Message 113 of 195 (817454)
08-17-2017 2:21 PM
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08-17-2017 2:18 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
The evidence is good that the BLM are out to kill cops and white people and are happy to say so. And maybe of interest, I've found many black voices at You Tube who condemn them as racist and murderous.

The weird thing is that there are white people who hate white people these days. It's the PC Leftist thing to do.


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PaulK
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Message 114 of 195 (817455)
08-17-2017 2:25 PM
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08-17-2017 2:21 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
quote:

The evidence is good that the BLM are out to kill cops and white people and are happy to say so. And maybe of interest, I've found many black voices at You Tube who condemn them as racist and murderous.

Well, I've seen none of that and I know that you don't always accurately represent your sources.


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Message 115 of 195 (817457)
08-17-2017 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
08-17-2017 2:21 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Let's see this evidence.
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Taq
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Message 116 of 195 (817458)
08-17-2017 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
08-17-2017 1:51 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
Faith writes:

If the version that says the Nazi group was the instigators is true they should not have been allowed to demonstrate at all.
But neither should BLM or Antifa.

Let me get this straight. If bigots, fascists, and racists aren't allowed to march, then people promoting equality, fairness, and peaceful democracy should not be allowed to march either? Seriously?


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PaulK
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Message 117 of 195 (817459)
08-17-2017 2:40 PM


Another question
If, as I have heard, a fair number of these statues are cheap junk churned out in the 1950s and 60s to oppose the Civil Rights movement isn't it quite reasonable to remove those ?
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Taq
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Message 118 of 195 (817461)
08-17-2017 2:44 PM
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08-17-2017 2:40 PM


Re: Another question
PaulK writes:

If, as I have heard, a fair number of these statues are cheap junk churned out in the 1950s and 60s to oppose the Civil Rights movement isn't it quite reasonable to remove those ?

There were many statues that were erected in the early 1900's as the civil rights movement gained strength. That same time period saw the resurgence of the KKK, lynchings, and other overt racist acts of violence. The intent of the statues was clear. It was white supremacists marking their territory, like a dog peeing on a tree. This is also why many of them were erected in front of courthouses.


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Joe T
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Message 119 of 195 (817462)
08-17-2017 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Faith
08-17-2017 1:21 PM


Re: I guess fairness isn't going to happen on such subjects
I got my facts from local news, eyewitness accounts, statements from the Charlottesville PD and many online sources. Here is a timeline from Breitbart on the activities. It is fairly slanted to the right and leaves a few things out such as the Nazis coming in the wrong way to the park, but is largely in accordance with timelines from other sources such as the Washington Post.

From the timeline:

August 11, 2017 About 8:00 PM

“Several hundred white supremacists took to University Grounds Friday evening for a torchlit march that was met by counter-protesters and several tense exchanges on the steps of the Rotunda,”

The counter protesters in the timeline are the 60 or so students I mentioned in my earlier post. This was not an organized counter protest, but a bunch of kids in their dorms who saw these thugs marching and chanting through their campus. This was Friday night before the protest for which they had a permit.

Also from the Brietbart timeline:

There was nothing haphazard about the violence that erupted today in this bucolic town in Virginia’s heartland. At about 10 a.m. today, at one of countless such confrontations, an angry mob of white supremacists formed a battle line across from a group of counter-protesters, many of them older and gray-haired, who had gathered near a church parking lot. On command from their leader, the young men charged and pummeled their ideological foes with abandon. One woman was hurled to the pavement, and the blood from her bruised head was instantly visible

You seem to have it in your mind that there were large groups of black hooded Antifa warriors there and that is just not the case. There were some of those jokers, and I wish that they had stayed home as they did not help matters, but the vast majority of the counter protesters were local citizens, students and good people who object to swastikas being paraded in their town. And I'm not sure why you keep brining BLM up in this context as they weren't there as far as I know.


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Message 120 of 195 (817464)
08-17-2017 3:18 PM


News report on Charlottesville
Interesting newsreport by Vice, who were on the scene at Charlottesville, well worth a watch.


    
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