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ringo
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Message 31 of 86 (819032)
09-05-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Greatest I am
09-04-2017 5:10 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

Tax takers, not tax collectors, are at the mercy of the generosity of the state. I do not see that as an advantage.


Huh? What's the difference between a tax taker and a tax collector? Is English your second language?
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Message 32 of 86 (819071)
09-05-2017 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ringo
09-05-2017 11:39 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Yes. English is my second language. I am French.

That does not explain you not knowing what a tax collector is.

A tax collector is the state. A tax taker is on the dole or some other form of state hand out.

Tax payers fund it all. Not the rich ones of course. They get all the breaks and the shortfall is taken up by the middle and working class.

Regards
DL


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ringo
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Message 33 of 86 (819127)
09-06-2017 3:36 PM
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09-05-2017 5:05 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

A tax collector is the state. A tax taker is on the dole or some other form of state hand out.


In English, a person on the dole would be called a welfare recipient, not a "tax taker".

So back to the topic: How is a welfare recipient "less fit"? He is surviving. He is reproducing. Where does "fitness" come in?


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Message 34 of 86 (819136)
09-06-2017 7:58 PM
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09-06-2017 3:36 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
In our welfare able countries, it is not that big of a deal when there is a safety net there to fall into but if living in a place without social programs, that person will likely starve I he is not fit enough to feed himself.

If people liked to be beggars or on the dole, they would not be trying to get off of the social programs. Right?

To suggest that those who pay the way for others are no more fit than the other is quite insulting to the fit who are footing the bills.

Regards
DL


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Pressie
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Message 35 of 86 (819140)
09-07-2017 6:27 AM
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09-06-2017 3:36 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
ringo writes:

In English, a person on the dole would be called a welfare recipient, not a "tax taker".

In my country it's called "social security". More than half of the country's population depend on that grant. Having an average of 6 children per uneducated women by equally uneducated and unknown fathers.

The others, who have to pay for it, are leaving the country in droves. A Zimbabwe-type non-future has arrived in SA.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 36 of 86 (819142)
09-07-2017 6:59 AM
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09-07-2017 6:27 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Pressie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA83bI9muk0

This particular author/scholar indicates that the female liberation movements around the world will eventually fail if African women do not get equality first.

He thinks that the equality of women will only progress as fast as the slowest country and at present the slowest countries are thought to be in Africa.

As John Lennon wrote, women are the Niggers of the world and the most Niggers seem to be in Africa.

Apologies if my use of the word Nigger offended you my friend.

No offence was intended.

Regards
DL


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Pressie
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Message 37 of 86 (819143)
09-07-2017 7:14 AM
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09-07-2017 6:59 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
I'm not into watching youtube videos and take them seriously. Anyone can put anything on youtube.

I like empirical, verifiable data.

And, please don't call me 'friend'. We're not friends. You wrote something on the web and I wrote something. My friends come over to my house and we have braais.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 38 of 86 (819144)
09-07-2017 7:22 AM
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09-07-2017 7:14 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
That author does get into verifiable data.

If I was an African, I would want to hear what he has to say but suit yourself.

I thought the friend thing would cushion the impact of my use of the Nigger word.

Apologies if using the term friends offended you.

Regards
DL


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Message 39 of 86 (819146)
09-07-2017 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Greatest I am
09-07-2017 7:22 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Nope. Do you even know what the word 'verifiable' means?

Let's s give you a hint. It does not mean 'someone said it on youtube'.


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Message 40 of 86 (819148)
09-07-2017 7:56 AM
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09-07-2017 7:29 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Thanks for this.

Regards
DL


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ringo
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Message 41 of 86 (819158)
09-07-2017 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Greatest I am
09-06-2017 7:58 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

... if living in a place without social programs, that person will likely starve I he is not fit enough to feed himself.


People were feeding themselves for millennia before there were social programs. Most of the people in the world today don't have any social "safety net".

Greatest I am writes:

If people liked to be beggars or on the dole, they would not be trying to get off of the social programs. Right?


People DO get off the dole, which seems to negate your point.

Greatest I am writes:

To suggest that those who pay the way for others are no more fit than the other is quite insulting to the fit who are footing the bills.


First, there isn't one group who are paying in and one group who are taking out. Second, it still has nothing to do with fitness. The ones on the dole ARE fit to survive; they DO survive. If it hurts your little feelings to think of them as equals, boo hoo, but it doesn't make them "less fit".
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ringo
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Message 42 of 86 (819159)
09-07-2017 11:49 AM
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09-07-2017 6:27 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Pressie writes:

In my country it's called "social security". More than half of the country's population depend on that grant. Having an average of 6 children per uneducated women by equally uneducated and unknown fathers.
The others, who have to pay for it, are leaving the country in droves. A Zimbabwe-type non-future has arrived in SA.


Sounds like you need a Trump to fix that.
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Message 43 of 86 (819162)
09-07-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by ringo
09-07-2017 11:47 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Ringo

I disagree on all points.

You must be having a boring day to produce such foolishness.

Equality under the law is not equality of outcome until we die.

Regards
DL


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ringo
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Message 44 of 86 (819164)
09-07-2017 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Greatest I am
09-07-2017 12:11 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

I disagree on all points.


So tell us why you disagree.

Greatest I am writes:

Equality under the law is not equality of outcome until we die.


I didn't say anything about equality under the law.
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Message 45 of 86 (819167)
09-07-2017 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by ringo
09-07-2017 12:20 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Ringo

Your post that I disagreed with was so lame I did not and do not feel the need to grace it with a response.

IMO.
You did a disservice to all the millions who starve to death yearly as well as telling the less fit, who know that they are not as fit as some, --- which suggests that they are as fit, which indicates that they should not be on whatever social or medical dole they are on and contributing to the tax base as the more fit are.

I did not want to insult you for such cavalier and insulting to victims thinking.

What the hell. Shame on you.

Regards
DL

Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.


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