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Message 76 of 86 (819738)
09-14-2017 12:15 PM
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09-14-2017 11:35 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Ringo

Show any example of any group of diverse people and their characteristics and I think that both of us will likely agree on who is the fittest and who is the less fit.

If we could not generally agree, that would refute what I put.

You have yet to make your case and that is the only way to refute what I put.

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DL


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Message 77 of 86 (819739)
09-14-2017 12:41 PM
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09-14-2017 12:15 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

Show any example of any group of diverse people and their characteristics and I think that both of us will likely agree on who is the fittest and who is the less fit.


No, we will not. I have said that it is not possible to say who is "fit" and who is not. If the poorest person in the group has children, she is "fit", even if she depends on the richest person in the group to support them. If the richest person has no children, he is not "fit".

You can not look at a person and decide whether or not he is fit. You can only look back at his life and see whether he was fit.

Greatest I am writes:

If we could not generally agree, that would refute what I put.


Done, done and repeatedly done. Your point is refuted.
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Message 78 of 86 (819743)
09-14-2017 12:49 PM
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09-14-2017 12:41 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Ringo

If the only criteria on your requirement for fitness is reproduction then you win this one.

Congratulations.

You might remember that even brain dead people on life support can reproduce.

They, to you, are the fittest as compared to nurses that might be caring for them who cannot reproduce.

Regards
DL


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Message 79 of 86 (819744)
09-14-2017 12:57 PM
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09-14-2017 12:49 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

If the only criteria on your requirement for fitness is reproduction then you win this one.


You haven't said what your criteria are.

Greatest I am writes:

You might remember that even brain dead people on life support can reproduce.

They, to you, are the fittest as compared to nurses that might be caring for them who cannot reproduce.


If you have better criteria, just tell us what they are.
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Message 80 of 86 (819748)
09-14-2017 2:10 PM
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09-14-2017 12:57 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Being a tax payer who can support his children instead of a tax taker who cannot without help we already spoke about.

But you did not want to admit that the former is more fit than the later.

Let me try again.

Which of those two criteria is fittest to you view and why?

Regards
DL


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Message 81 of 86 (819946)
09-15-2017 11:43 AM
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09-14-2017 2:10 PM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

Being a tax payer who can support his children instead of a tax taker who cannot without help we already spoke about.
But you did not want to admit that the former is more fit than the later.

Let me try again.

Which of those two criteria is fittest to you view and why?


As I have said several times, there is no way of telling what somebody's "fitness" is.

Paying taxes is not the only way that people contribute to society. The recipient of benefits may contribute in other ways - e.g. as a volunteer. The child of a recipient may become a major contributor in taxes or in other ways.

Stop running in circles and tell us how you can determine objectively whether a particular person is "fit" or not.


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Message 82 of 86 (819949)
09-15-2017 11:54 AM
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09-15-2017 11:43 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Objectively??

I cannot.

Subjectively is what I have already given.

In an evolving world, I don't think there can be an objective fitness because the environment is always changing and so would the description of fitness.

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DL


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Message 83 of 86 (819961)
09-15-2017 12:23 PM
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09-15-2017 11:54 AM


Re: Dumbest We Are?
Greatest I am writes:

In an evolving world, I don't think there can be an objective fitness because the environment is always changing and so would the description of fitness.


That's what I've been trying to tell you: Your claim about taxpayers being more "fit" than benefit recipients is nonsense.
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Message 84 of 86 (819966)
09-15-2017 12:42 PM
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09-15-2017 12:23 PM


Agreeable We Aren't
It appears that GIA is simply trying to get people to agree with his topics.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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Message 85 of 86 (819971)
09-15-2017 12:48 PM
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09-15-2017 12:42 PM


Re: Agreeable We Aren't
Phat writes:

It appears that GIA is simply trying to get people to agree with his topics.


He does like to say, "I agree with you BUT...."
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Message 86 of 86 (819975)
09-15-2017 12:56 PM
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Re: Agreeable We Aren't
Phat

It would be rather strange if I wanted disagreement. No?

Regards
DL


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