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Tanypteryx
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Message 16 of 57 (817601)
08-18-2017 2:40 PM
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08-18-2017 12:36 PM


I watched the Total eclipse in February 1979 from Rattlesnake Mountain near Richland, Washington. One of the neatest observations was the "sunset effect" in all directions. We could see a 360-degree sunset where the sun was shining outside the shadow. It was completely unexpected.

It was foggy and cloudy where we were until the very last-minute before totality and then the clouds opened up and there it was in all its glory! My wife got some great photos in that moment before totality with just a sliver of the sun showing and a "fogbow" around the sun and hooded people standing over their tripods in the fog, very druidish looking!

When the clouds opened up there were cheers from groups on the peaks all around us.

Totality itself was one of the most personally moving experiences of my life. The solar corona during that eclipse was quite diminished because it occurred during a period of low solar activity. We have been in the middle of a solar max period so the corona should be quite spectacular.

Hoping for clear skies!

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Message 17 of 57 (817602)
08-18-2017 2:42 PM
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Tanypteryx writes:

My wife got some great photos in that moment before totality with just a sliver of the sun showing and a "fogbow" around the sun and hooded people standing over their tripods in the fog, very druidish looking!

I have heard reports from local farmers that there has been a rush on buying goats, presumably for pagan sacrifices. "Druidish" might not be too far off.


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Message 18 of 57 (817605)
08-18-2017 2:47 PM
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I have heard reports from local farmers that there has been a rush on buying goats, presumably for pagan sacrifices.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 19 of 57 (817620)
08-18-2017 4:44 PM
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Nah Cabrito is an every summer weekend thing.

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08-20-2017 11:14 AM
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https://c.tadst.com/gfx/eclipses2/20170821/anim2d-380.mp4

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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Message 21 of 57 (817924)
08-21-2017 4:04 PM
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08-16-2017 7:24 PM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
How many here are planning to view the eclipse on August 21?

I drove about an hour south to get in the middle of the path of totality (from the ~99% area I was coming from). I think it was worth it.

Even when there was just a sliver of a toenail of the sun still showing, it was still too bright to look at. Once totality hit, you could take the glasses off and look right at it. It was amazing.

As it started to get darker, it was really cool. I dunno if you've (the proverbial you, I know you have, Tany) played with digitally altering images, but two things came to mine: brightness and color saturation... So, as it was getting "darker", it didn't look so much like someone was reducing the brightness of what I could see, but rather it was like the color saturation was gradually decreasing while the brightness didn't change much.

It wasn't like it looks when nighttime approaches and everything just gradually gets darker, everything just got less vivid and more grey-ish, while you could still see well with the level of light that was out.

Kinda hard to describe, but totally awesome and something I've never seen before.

When totality did hit, it did just get really dark like nighttime. A car was driving by and they had to turn on their headlights. It did look like a sunset in 360º with dark sky above. And the actual eclipse during totality looked just like the pictures on the internet. Big dark circle with a white halo around it.

I don't think it would have been the same at 99% - as I said, even when it was just a sliver, it was still yellow and still too bright.

That totality tho!

10 out of 10 - would do again.


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Message 22 of 57 (817936)
08-21-2017 8:59 PM
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08-21-2017 4:04 PM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
That totality tho!

10 out of 10 - would do again.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. I have to say it is one of the most moving experiences I have ever had.

Last night I had decided not to photograph the event. My daughter and her family got to our place at 6:00am and we all started making our final plans. My grandson and I drove over to check on the place I planned to set up and watch and there were already people starting to show up. We decided to go to my photo lab instead. It has a nice big yard and an unobstructed view.

My son-in-law and I each have telescopes so we got them setup before anything started and I went ahead and mounted a camera figuring I might as well get shots of the sun as the moon is slowly covering it.

So, as we are getting really close to totality I am feeling comfortable with my shooting and decide to go ahead and shoot a couple bracketed sets of 9 exposures.

My first shot as totality begins captured Bailey's Beads which are just the last edge of the sun shining between mountain peaks on the moon.

My next shot caught just the tail-end of Bailey's Beads and the Corona is more apparent.

This shot shows the Corona in its full glory.

And this final shot caught the Diamond Ring Effect which is similar to Bailey's Beads but a little more intense and that signals the end of Totality.

I completely understand why people become eclipse chasers.

Enjoy.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 23 of 57 (817966)
08-22-2017 9:17 AM
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08-21-2017 8:59 PM


Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Cool images! Thanks for sharing.

As for me, a nice, HUGE thunderstorm came right through my area of Central Florida right during the eclipse timeframe. So I got to see absolutely squat.

To add insult to injury, I was going to watch the impromptu Nova special on the eclipse on PBS and it was preempted by the Presidential address. So instead of an eclipse, I got to see a bright orange.

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Message 24 of 57 (817967)
08-22-2017 9:21 AM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
So instead of an eclipse, I got to see a bright orange.

A bright orange duffus that insisted on looking at the sun without using his glasses.

He certainly is a total utter boor but he's OUR BOOR.


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08-22-2017 11:18 AM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I have to say it is one of the most moving experiences I have ever had.

I was baffled and amazed - I loved it. Not to be conceited, but that doesn't happy like that very often.

Thanks for the awesome pictures! I spent my time during the eclipse trying to keep my jaw off the ground while I took it all in and didn't really care that much to take pictures. I figured that there would be better photographers with better equipment taking waaay better pictures than I was even capable of - and you just proved it.

I mean, I didn't not take any pictures, but it wasn't a priority and I didn't care about getting good ones.

I do have a cool video playing with the crazy lens flairs I was getting in my cellphone camera. I'll get it on youtube one of these days and I'll drop a link here.


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Message 26 of 57 (817987)
08-22-2017 11:40 AM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Great photos Tany. Love the detailed corona you captured.

Could you share your photo specs: lens size, filters, exposure times?

I had a 70% eclipse near Buffalo, New York. I thought a 70% eclipse would have been darker, but it was still very interesting.

I'll get another chance in 2024 when Buffalo will experience a 100% eclipse.

BTW, I was at Buffalo's Burchfield Penny Art Center recently. A photo artist presented oversized photos (about 5 feet by 3 feet?) of an orange-ish moth. The "fur" around the neck/head looked like the mane from a lion. The detail was jaw-dropping phenomenal, right down to the individual "hairs." Of course I thought of your wonderful photos. I took a quick photo, I will post it on the forum and see if you recognize the artist's work.

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08-22-2017 1:50 PM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
When totality did hit, it did just get really dark like nighttime. A car was driving by and they had to turn on their headlights. It did look like a sunset in 360º with dark sky above. And the actual eclipse during totality looked just like the pictures on the internet. Big dark circle with a white halo around it.

I was able to gather up my entire immediate family, which is no easy feat these days, and we drove about four hours to a tiny town in South Carolina.

This was my first solar eclipse and for me, the trip was totally worth it. I would have driven twice that far. We left home about 12 hours before the eclipse. There was minimal traffic. I was totally pumped for the whole "expedition" and enjoyed every minute of the trip. My family, with the exception of my daughter, are far less interested in astronomy. But my wife was just excited for me. I awarded her 2000 hubby points just for being herself. But the four of us were equally impressed with the eclipse itself.

Totality was way better than any eclipse picture or video I have ever seen. The corona was spectacular. I was yelling and practically drooling on myself. The corona is a moving twisting, shining, beautiful halo of white gas, shining like a diamond, yet shimmering, vibrating... I'm running out of verbs and adjectives. I completely get why people chase these things.

The funniest part of the trip was my wife was taking photos and almost missing the first moment of totality until I took the camera away from her. We were using phones to take pictures which did not have produce anything as striking as the ones Tanypteryx shows here. My daughter did get a pretty good photo of near totality.

I don't think it would have been the same at 99% - as I said, even when it was just a sliver, it was still yellow and still too bright.

Absolutely not the same. I was staring through filters as that last sliver disappeared and then I yelled "take off your glasses" immediately after. No part of an eclipse, except the very end when Bailey's Beads Effect shows up, compares favorably with the start of totality. And it is pretty much over after that.

We did not stay for much of the post totality part. We got back in the car and fought traffic back to North Carolina. Took way longer to get home than it did to get there. Of course, the eclipse sights dominated the conversation on the way back. We talked a little bit about 2024 and how difficult/easy it might be to get to other eclipses before that one.

10 out of 10 - would do again.

Me too.

In Newberry, South Carolina, the sky did not get very dark. Darkness was about like dusk. The crickets were chirping loudly even before totality. Only a few very bright stars were visible. Venus was the only planet I noticed. Mars was not visible. I was looking for Regulus which was near the sun, but I could not see it.

I'd like to compare notes with someone who saw the eclipse on the west coast.

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Message 28 of 57 (818006)
08-22-2017 3:06 PM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Great photos Tany. Love the detailed corona you captured.
Could you share your photo specs: lens size, filters, exposure times?

Thanks I'm pleased you like them.

Could you share your photo specs: lens size, filters, exposure times?

This is the setup I used. It is a Questar Telescope with a Nikon D700 DSLR mounted using a bellows. I devised the mount myself to take advantage of an interesting feature of catadioptric optics. With this telescope design extending the distance between the telescope and camera increases the magnification of the system. So, by using a bellows I have a setup that behaves like a high magnification "zoom".

The aperture of the telescope is f16 and with extension the "effective aperture" increases so this setup was about f19.

This shows the Solar Filter that I had mounted before and after totality.

My exposure data was:

#1 f19@ 1/320sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 1.3 stops from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.

#2 f19@ 1/125sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 1 stop from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.

#3 f19@ 1/80sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 2.67 stops from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.

$4 f19@ 1/320sec ISO800 This was underexposed by 2.67 stops from the exposure calculated by the camera light meter.

I set the camera to delay exposure for 1 second after the mirror lifted to minimize vibration.

The Questar Telescope has a Polar Equatorial mount with a clock drive that I could have used but the new digital SLR cameras are are much heavier than the old film cameras and would have required a counterweight on the front of the telescope. Setting up the tripod in the polar equatorial position so the base of the telescope is aligned with the earth's axis is a pain in the ass, in my opinion, so I usually try and avoid it unless I am trying to shoot really long astro-photos.

Questar Telescopes are built in the U.S. and they were the first to use the Catadioptric design. It allows compact scopes to have higher magnification and resolving power with easy portability, which is not possible with refractive or standard reflective telescopes. Questar started building their telescopes in 1954 and have won many engineering and design awards over the years.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 29 of 57 (818009)
08-22-2017 3:13 PM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Hey, talk nerdy to me
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08-22-2017 3:39 PM
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Re: The Eclipse Conspiracy
Totally was way better than any eclipse picture or video I have ever seen. The corona was spectacular. I was yelling and practically drooling on myself. The corona is a moving twisting, shining, beautiful halo of white gas, shining like a diamond, yet shimmering, vibrating... I'm running out of verbs and adjectives. I completely get why people chase these things.

I spent almost all my time during totality looking up. I only had to look away to recenter the image in the camera's field of view. I had the camera pre-programmed to take bracketed bursts, so all I had to do was push the button on the cable release.

The last 5 minutes before totality were when the growing darkness was most noticeable. The light had a unique quality that to me was different from anything else I have seen except during an eclipse. The view during totality was even more surreal and totally unique.

Did shoot a few cell phone images of the crescent shaped patterns created by the light shining through trees.

We were in a neighborhood so we couldn't see the distant horizon to observe effects of the shadow or the sun shining on terrain outside the shadow. I also didn't even think to look for stars or planets.

Rational thought seems to have fled during totality. Amazing that a brief 2 minute event can have such a profound effect in your life. I would say substantial, immense, enormous, colossal, massive, mammoth, vast, prodigious, tremendous, gigantic, giant, monumental, stupendous, gargantuan, elephantine, titanic, mountainous, monstrous; More than orgasmic!

We did not stay for much of the post totality part. We got back in the car and fought traffic back to North Carolina. Took way longer to get home than it did to get there. Of course, the eclipse sights dominated the conversation on the way back. We talked a little bit about 2024 and how difficult/easy it might be to get to other eclipses before that one.

My daughter and her family stayed for about 5 hours after the main event, primarily because the traffic on Interstate 5 was completely stopped from Eugene to Portland. When they did head for home they had to get off the freeway because traffic was still barely moving and even secondary highways were clogged. What would normally be a 1 hour drive took them 4 hours.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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