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herebedragons
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Message 151 of 154 (819471)
09-11-2017 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by caffeine
09-11-2017 12:49 PM


Re: dendrogram corrections
I don't think ToL is a good source for the latest classifications.

Actually, now that I spent some time there on this project I would have to agree they are not an up to date source for hominid classification.

I retract my support for ToL.

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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RAZD
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Message 152 of 154 (819483)
09-11-2017 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by caffeine
09-11-2017 1:08 PM


Re: all together now ...
... your tree gives the impression baboons are the only Old World monkey. I tried to edit it but for some reason cannot get the branches to line up properly.

Still, if people thought palaeos diagrams are hard to read - see what happens when I draw it!

Nice.

I'll give it a try tomorrow. Is that "Odd nosed group" in the middle?

Enjoy

ps -- my "justification" for using wikipedia rather that primary sources is that I figure it filters the information to present the majority consensus view. Of course that could just be me being lazy ...

pps -- you have to use <pre> ... </pre> or [code] ... [/code] to get the txt to line up.

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Message 153 of 154 (819538)
09-12-2017 1:01 PM
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09-11-2017 4:50 PM


Re: all together now ...
I'll give it a try tomorrow. Is that "Odd nosed group" in the middle?

Yes, 'odd-nosed group'; so named because it contains snub-nosed monkeys and the proboscis monkey. I can't find that anyone's ever proposed a formal name for it.

I think Wikipedia is a good source for the consensus on major groups. They often feature the major competing hypotheses where things are not settled.

Pages which attract less interest often promote outdated or new-fangled hypotheses because of one determined editor, however. Purgatorius is usually considered a stem-primate; but a couple of recent studies instead find that it's outside the clade formed by living placentals. There's an editor who refuses to accept this as a hypothesis; so it's a fact as far as Wiki is concerned.


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Message 154 of 154 (819550)
09-12-2017 2:31 PM
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09-12-2017 1:01 PM


Re: all together now ...
Yes, 'odd-nosed group'; so named because it contains snub-nosed monkeys and the proboscis monkey. I can't find that anyone's ever proposed a formal name for it.

I think Wikipedia is a good source for the consensus on major groups. They often feature the major competing hypotheses where things are not settled.

That's what I figured, especially when backed up by the New World Encyclopedia and other sources.

See new Primate cladogram evolution thread (not promoted yet) started to discuss the process of change in information within science in general and cladograms in particular.

Message 2 is beginning of what you started ...

Now that may fill out from Catarrhini down, but I suspect a lot of branches are still missing.

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