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Porkncheese
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Message 91 of 154 (818782)
09-02-2017 4:51 PM
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09-02-2017 4:49 PM


Re: searchable database
wtf... the constant false accusations is not abuse???
the constant ridicule is not abuse???
im out of here

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Porkncheese
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Message 92 of 154 (818783)
09-02-2017 4:55 PM


First response total bs
have fun picking it all apart and avoiding the point again ok...
have a good laugh....this has wasted enough of my time back to the real world for me. leave it for the fanatics i reckon
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jar
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Message 93 of 154 (818784)
09-02-2017 4:56 PM
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09-02-2017 4:51 PM


Re: searchable database
You need to learn the difference between ridicule and a dope slap.

The people here are trying to help you but first they need to get your attention.


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Porkncheese
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Message 94 of 154 (818785)
09-02-2017 4:58 PM
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09-02-2017 4:56 PM


Re: searchable database
to arrogant to concede anything... was i not abused???
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Porkncheese
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Message 95 of 154 (818786)
09-02-2017 4:59 PM


WAS I NOT ABUSED???
WAS I NOT ABUSED???
ARE U SERIOUS???

Real problems facing facts these peolpe...
Your not one of the few people i named anyway. Aside from them ppl like u are trolls with nothing

wat did u provide... talk thats all talk. go home cos i wasn't refering to you

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jar
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Message 96 of 154 (818787)
09-02-2017 5:03 PM
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09-02-2017 4:58 PM


Re: searchable database
Pnc writes:

to arrogant to concede anything... was i not abused???

No, you were not abused.

It remains to be seen if you are too arrogant to learn anything.

But only you can cure your ignorance; we can help you but only you can do the work. The first step is to learn to actually listen and to0 comprehend what you are being told.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin there is no 0 in to


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Porkncheese
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Message 97 of 154 (818788)
09-02-2017 5:04 PM
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09-02-2017 5:03 PM


Re: searchable database
uv provided nothing go home i wasn't talking to you
all talk no references blah blah blah
ppl like u don't help the theory

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PaulK
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Message 98 of 154 (818789)
09-02-2017 5:11 PM
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09-02-2017 4:43 PM


Re: searchable database
If you want us to trust you or show sympathy to you then arrogant displays of error are hardly a good move. Misrepresenting the history of the discussions here does not help either.

You have not even dented the theory of evolution. You have not even tried to make a rational case against it. Nor do you understand how science works.

quote:

At this point the two references I have been provided are admittedly misleading and incomplete. Now read what people are telling me in response. Ok. No one corrects the evidence I have been given by you guys. The basic theme is im a wanker for not believing. Don't question. Have faith. Like wtf. Ur giving me the same faith bs iv heard before.

Unfortunately the sources are not misleading with regards to your question, and being open about the weaknesses of the current presentation is an example of honesty, not an excuse to discard the whole thing. And you did get further explanations of the problem, so claiming that you did not hardly helps you.

More importantly the fact that we do not know the details hardly invalidates the whole story. (You would have to throw out a LOT of history if that were true). Evidence which is insufficient to show us everything can still strongly confirm the big picture.


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Porkncheese
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Message 99 of 154 (818790)
09-02-2017 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by PaulK
09-02-2017 5:11 PM


Re: searchable database
wow unreal
just as i predicted un able to reason, be objective to take another perspective.
So ur saying I should of accepted that evidence given to me as fact?
What nonsense it sounds like you havent even read the references.

If i say this is fact but may be misleading do u take it as fact do u? how religious of you

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Message 100 of 154 (818791)
09-02-2017 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Porkncheese
09-02-2017 5:04 PM


A good place to start
Here is a good website for beginners:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

Let us know if you have any honest questions.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Porkncheese
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Message 101 of 154 (818792)
09-02-2017 5:29 PM


ok guys i believe everything
thanks for helping me understand... i believe it all. i never question again please forgive my ignorace wise old men who got debunked by a teenager so easily turned your worlds upside down and inside out with factual truths
who presentst evidence that contradicts itself. i believe you i have faith
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PaulK
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Message 102 of 154 (818794)
09-02-2017 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Porkncheese
09-02-2017 5:16 PM


Re: searchable database
quote:

just as i predicted un able to reason, be objective to take another perspective.

And now you are attacking me because I dared to disagree with your falsehoods.

quote:

So ur saying I should of accepted that evidence given to me as fact?

The evidence, yes. More to the point you need to understand how science works, understand that it does not claim to offer complete and infallible knowledge about everything, understand how it copes with the limitations of the evidence available.

For instance you may think Physics is simple and factual, but nobody knows how to make General Relativity work with Quantum Mechanics. The two theories are hugely successful but where they intersect the experts really don't know what happens.
But neither theory is disproved by this - scientists accept that they work in the domains where they work, while some specialists keep plugging away at the problem.

Likely neither theory is exactly right, but in practically every case you they will be so close as makes no difference - only very extreme cases will be that far out. Just as Newtonian mechanics is good enough for nearly all practical cases on Earth, so that you'll probably never need to know either Relativity or Quantum Mechsnics.


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Message 103 of 154 (818795)
09-02-2017 5:39 PM
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09-02-2017 5:29 PM


Re: ok guys i believe everything
quote:

thanks for helping me understand... i believe it all. i never question again please forgive my ignorace wise old men who got debunked by a teenager so easily turned your worlds upside down and inside out with factual truths
who presentst evidence that contradicts itself. i believe you i have faith

Maybe you should put yourself in our shoes. What should we think of someone who arrogantly proclaims ridiculous falsehoods ?


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jar
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Message 104 of 154 (818797)
09-02-2017 5:46 PM
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09-02-2017 5:29 PM


Re: ok guys i believe everything
Belief is not needed or even wanted. No one has asked you to believe anything except the fact that evidence as presented actually exists. There are fossils. No belief is needed. You can even go examine the fossils your self once you exhibit some indication you actually know enough to understand what you see, comprehend what you are told and are capable of listening to instructions.

You are not at that stage yet.

You are at the stage where you can be allowed to actually look up catalogs of the fossils.

Google "Fossil Collections" and it will give you a list of where many fossils are being kept.

BUT, first you should try to learn what Science is and what Science does.

Your not at that stage yet either.


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Message 105 of 154 (818800)
09-02-2017 6:05 PM
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09-02-2017 5:16 PM


Re: searchable database
PnC writes:

wow unreal
just as i predicted un able to reason, be objective to take another perspective.
So ur saying I should of accepted that evidence given to me as fact?
What nonsense it sounds like you havent even read the references.
If i say this is fact but may be misleading do u take it as fact do u? how religious of you

How about starting again from scratch?

The first thing you have to accept is that the ToE is a scientific theory as valid and supported as any other. As a 19 year old know-nothing, you need to start from there. There's a hundred and fifty years of peer reviewed research behind it and so much evidence you couldn't make a dent in it if you started reading now and carried on till you died.

There is no 'controversy', the ToE has an overwhelming concensus and there is no other competing scientific theory. Those opposed to the theory do it for religious reason and in one hundred and fifty years have been unable to refute it based on evidence. Even so most religions accept it - only the most fundamental still rail against it.

As a scientist - or at least a potential one - you are obliged to accept the body of work that underpins the discipline and if you want to challenge it you are required to understand it fully first. Only then can you start chipping away at it and it can only be done by providing real evidence. You've charged in here with zero knowledge and written off one of the most successful scientific explanations of our world that there's ever been - so far you've got off lightly.

Have a bit of humilty and you might learn something.


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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