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Author Topic:   Israelites match Iran burials (50% DNA from specific time) during the time of Abraham
LamarkNewAge
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Message 31 of 32 (821397)
10-06-2017 5:46 PM


PaulK and me might be talking past each other. THE ISSUE
The issue is the Hurrian's arrival in Palestine, and then how many there were. I need to find the lists of Thutmose III and Amenhotep II because there are specific numbers of Hurrians mentioned (if I remember correctly). This study looks at Iranian burials from before 3000 BCE
( which the Chalcolithic Period and Neo Lithic predate ) then compared the DNA to 1700 Sidonian burials and such.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hurrians+arrival+palestin...

First hit in the general search page is this book.

https://books.google.com/books?id=0VG67yLs-LAC&pg=PA63&lp...

PaulK seems to be arguing some other point, and he refuses to clarify what his issue is exactly.

I have been trying to look at this issue of Sidonians (that PaulK raises) but it isn't clear anything I say will please him, nor do I understand his points.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=sidonian+term+c...

The study comes up on the first page of hits.

Hopefully more burials are looked at. And from many different time periods and locations.

UPDATE!

I found the number of Hurrian captives of Amenhotep II (no later than 1430-1420)

https://www.google.com/search?q=amenhotep+II+hurrians+in+...

quote:

Ancient Near Eastern History and Culture - Google Books Result

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1134880839

William H. Stiebing Jr., ıSusan N. Helft - 2017 - ıHistory
BCE) The Reigns of Amenhotep II and Thutmose IV Amenhotep II (c. 1426–1400 ... Among the various groups of people mentioned in the lists of captives from Amenhotep II's campaigns in Syria and Palestine are maryannu and Hurrians.

Egypt: Amenhotep II, 7th Pharaoh of Egypt's 18th Dynasty - Tour Egypt

www.touregypt.net/featurestories/amenhotep2.htm

We believe Amenhotep II was the 7th Pharaoh of Egypt's 18th Dynasty. ... (about 1,643 and 120,833 pounds respectively), as well as 550 mariannu captives, ...
Missing: hurrians ılist

Oriental Studies: - Page 58 - Google Books Result

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=9004059660

Rifaat Y. Ebied, ıM. J. L. Young - 1980 - ıMiddle East
Farther south in the Levant too the Hurrian presence made itself felt. ... inscription of Amenophis II (1450-1425 B.C.)., at the end of which is a list of captives, ...

Yahweh and the Gods of Canaan: A Historical Analysis of Two ...

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0931464013

William Foxwell Albright - 1968 - ıCanaanites
A triumphal inscription of Amenophis II (c. 1430 B.C.) lists among captives, 3600 'Apiru, 15,200 Shasu (= Sutu), 36,300 Hurrians, and 15,070 men of Nu- ...

The Cambridge Ancient History - Page 111 - Google Books Result

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0521086914

I. E. S. Edwards, ıC. J. Gadd, ıN. G. L. Hammond - 1975 - ıHistory
... of Amenophis II (1450—1425 B.C.), at the end of which is a list of captives, ... 15,200 Shasu; 36,300 Hurrians; 15,070 men from Nukhashshe in northern Syria.

Amarna Letters from Palestine, Syria, the Philistines and Phoenicia

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0521044766

W F Albright - 2003
... of Amenophis II (1450— 1425 b.c), at the end of which is a list of captives, ... 15,200 Shasu; 36,300 Hurrians; 15,070 men from Nukhashshe in northern Syria.

Mitanni - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitanni

Mitanni also called Hanigalbat in Assyrian or Naharin in Egyptian texts, was a ... Their sphere of influence is shown in Hurrian place names, personal names and the .... There is no trace of that in the Assyrian king lists; therefore it is probable that ... During the reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep II, Mitanni seems to have ...

[PDF]hurrians and subarians - The Oriental Institute of the University of ...

oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/saoc22.pdf

in assembling and presenting data on the Hurrians and Subarians. .... 2 A. Poebel, "The Assyrian king list from Khorsabad," JNES I (1942) 247-306, 460-92; II.
Missing: amenhotep ıcaptives

Anth.310 Ppt. lecture-8: The reigns of Amenhotep II & Thutmose IV ...

www.academia.edu/...ecture-8_The_reigns_of_Amenhotep_II_and_...

(Palestine) Amenhotep II: Campaigns in Levant: Tomb of Kenamun Private ... Temple of Amun enclosure Amenhotep II: Campaign no.1: Captives supplied to ... of Naharin (Mitanni), (11) A-II's return by chariot to Memphis, (12) The listing of all ... Majesty on that day: 2 chieftains, 6 warriors of the Hurrian elite including their ...


The percentage of Hurrians (in the 15th century list) is too high for the difference in the smaller amount of modern day Sidonian blood when compared to the 1700 BCE burials.

The DNA shows that the Hurrians were part of the pre 1700 BCE Sidonan DNA.

The scientific study interprets the Hurrian arrivals as part of the difference between the 3700 ya burials and the modern Sidonians (I think).

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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Message 32 of 32 (821411)
10-07-2017 3:24 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
10-06-2017 5:46 PM


Re: PaulK and me might be talking past each other. THE ISSUE
quote:

The issue is the Hurrian's arrival in Palestine, and then how many there were.

No, it's not. If you try to argue with me by making unannounced changes of subject that's your problem.

quote:

PaulK seems to be arguing some other point, and he refuses to clarify what his issue is exactly.

Since I stuck to the topic why would I need to offer any more clarification ?

quote:

I have been trying to look at this issue of Sidonians (that PaulK raises) but it isn't clear anything I say will please him, nor do I understand his points.

So you don't understand what your source is saying or why it matters. That explains a lot.


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