Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 114 (8789 total)
Current session began: 
Page Loaded: 09-19-2017 6:30 PM
341 online now:
Coragyps, JonF, Percy (Admin), Phat (AdminPhat) (4 members, 337 visitors)
Chatting now:  Chat room empty
Newest Member: Porkncheese
Happy Birthday: AdminPhat
Post Volume:
Total: 819,118 Year: 23,724/21,208 Month: 1,689/2,468 Week: 198/822 Day: 73/69 Hour: 0/5

Announcements: Reporting debate problems OR discussing moderation actions/inactions


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
RewPrev1
...
3031
32
3334
...
58NextFF
Author Topic:   Evidence of the flood
Coragyps
Member
Posts: 5288
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 466 of 858 (819672)
09-13-2017 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 462 by Faith
09-13-2017 8:10 PM


Re: A charming fat fish proves radiometic dating is false cuz the varves aren't annual
No, something about the water around the ropes. Its lack of oxygen, to be precise.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 462 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:10 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 468 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:30 PM Coragyps has not yet responded

    
Percy
Member
Posts: 15909
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.9


(1)
Message 467 of 858 (819673)
09-13-2017 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 460 by Coragyps
09-13-2017 8:08 PM


Re: A charming fat fish proves radiometic dating is false cuz the varves aren't annual
According to this brief excerpt from this Black Sea webpage, we shouldn't expect to see dead sea life on the floor of the Black Sea:

quote:
Marine animals and algae can not live in the anoxic zone of Black Sea, that water is inhabited by anaerobic bacteria which disintegrate sinking remains of the upper layer marine life.

But according to the Wikipedia article on fossil zones of the Green River Formation, some of the best areas of fossil preservation were in anoxic zones:

quote:
The fossils of the herring-like Knightia, sometimes in dense layers, as if a school had wandered into anoxic water levels and were overcome, are familiar to fossil-lovers and are among the most commonly available fossils on the commercial market.

So apparently the anoxic zones of the Black sea disintegrate organic remains, while the anoxic zones of the Green River Formation did not. Seems contradictory.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 460 by Coragyps, posted 09-13-2017 8:08 PM Coragyps has not yet responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 26273
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 468 of 858 (819674)
09-13-2017 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 466 by Coragyps
09-13-2017 8:21 PM


Re: A charming fat fish proves radiometic dating is false cuz the varves aren't annual
And the many fish in various stages of burial in these very fine annual varves?
This message is a reply to:
 Message 466 by Coragyps, posted 09-13-2017 8:21 PM Coragyps has not yet responded

    
Percy
Member
Posts: 15909
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.9


Message 469 of 858 (819675)
09-13-2017 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 444 by Faith
09-13-2017 6:37 PM


Re: trilobites are trilobites are trilobites
Faith writes:

They are not the same VARIETY of trilobite, or "race" which is probably the more correct term, but they are both trilobites, a species or a Kind.

Well now you're just making it up again. Scientists have determined that the trilobite class is divided into orders, families, genera and species, and you think you can get away with just declaring that they're really all just the same species? Would you like to offer any evidence? Would you like to explain to us how trilobite species as different as this could interbreed:

Yes we could argue semantics forever and in fact that is often all the debates here amount to, but that is typical in a paradigm conflict.

Again, Faith, there is no paradigm conflict. You are doing religion, as is obvious from your lack of any evidence.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 444 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 6:37 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 473 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:45 PM Percy has responded

    
NoNukes
Member
Posts: 9912
From: Central NC USA
Joined: 08-13-2010
Member Rating: 3.3


Message 470 of 858 (819676)
09-13-2017 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by riVeRraT
09-05-2017 4:39 PM


What am I if I believe we were created to evolve through natural processes?

That is a great question RR;. Although you might not know if from this discussion, usually on EvC, creationist means a person who advocates a literal reading of the creation story which requires that all animals be created kinds, and in particular that humans not be evolved from lower animals.

I think at least some folks who are not acknowledging that we don't always refer to folks like you as creations are not being completely honest. But some people do call even folks who have a more Catholic view of creation creationists.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


This message is a reply to:
 Message 148 by riVeRraT, posted 09-05-2017 4:39 PM riVeRraT has not yet responded

    
Phat
Member
Posts: 9739
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.6


Message 471 of 858 (819677)
09-13-2017 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by Percy
09-13-2017 7:26 PM


Paradigm Clashes And Evidence
Faith writes:

Paradigm clash turns out to mean basically that nobody can ever argue from a different paradigm because the established paradigm is treated as sacrosanct and there is no tolerance for the other.

Is the evidence different in each paradigm? If so, how could this be possible?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
"as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler

This message is a reply to:
 Message 454 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 7:26 PM Percy has acknowledged this reply

Replies to this message:
 Message 472 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:44 PM Phat has not yet responded

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 26273
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 472 of 858 (819679)
09-13-2017 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 471 by Phat
09-13-2017 8:38 PM


Re: Paradigm Clashes And Evidence
the evidence is often the same but the interpretation or conclusions different. The strata and the fossils are the evidence used by Old Earthers to prove the ancient earth and evolution, but I think they are better used to prove the Flood.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 471 by Phat, posted 09-13-2017 8:38 PM Phat has not yet responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 26273
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 473 of 858 (819680)
09-13-2017 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Percy
09-13-2017 8:37 PM


Re: trilobites are trilobites are trilobites
The trilobites you illustrate are obviously still trilobites, just different breeds or varieties.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 469 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 8:37 PM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 478 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 9:11 PM Faith has responded

    
Percy
Member
Posts: 15909
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.9


Message 474 of 858 (819684)
09-13-2017 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by Faith
09-13-2017 7:20 PM


Re: Again, the Geo Column shows the absurdity of the OE/ToE
Faith writes:

Oooooo hivvens to bitsy, a YEC's thoughts can only be validated by a gaggle of evolutionists? Ha de ha ha ha.

I was making a serious point, Faith. You seem to have this odd misconception that you determine the value of your own ideas, when the truth is that their value derives from the opinions of others.

You're also again descending into one-liner posts. Please don't do that. It is very rude and disrespectful to those who put a lot of time and effort into replying to your posts. I had detailed rebuttals in Message 423 and Message 435, and then you made the same points again as if they had never been rebutted, so I referred you to those rebuttals, and now I'm referring you to them yet again. Also, your point about "huge flat sedimentary rocks" has been rebutted numerous times, but you're ignoring all the rebuttals and simply repeating your original point.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 453 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 7:20 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 475 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:55 PM Percy has responded
 Message 477 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 9:08 PM Percy has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 26273
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 475 of 858 (819685)
09-13-2017 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 474 by Percy
09-13-2017 8:51 PM


Re: Again, the Geo Column shows the absurdity of the OE/ToE
The question is Which others? A gaggle of biased anticreationists? Ha ha de ha.

OK I'll make an effort to review your posts but the rebuttals do tend to be the same old same old so what's the point? I state my case, you state yours. That's the best that ever happens here.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 474 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 8:51 PM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 476 by jar, posted 09-13-2017 9:07 PM Faith has not yet responded
 Message 503 by Percy, posted 09-14-2017 7:55 AM Faith has not yet responded

    
jar
Member
Posts: 29363
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 3.1


Message 476 of 858 (819689)
09-13-2017 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 475 by Faith
09-13-2017 8:55 PM


Re: Again, the Geo Column shows the absurdity of the OE/ToE
Faith writes:

I state my case, you state yours. That's the best that ever happens here.

Not true Faith. One side states the evidence as well as the model, method, mechanism, process and procedure and then also shows that the model, process, mechanism, method and procedure happen today while you provide no evidence, no model, no method, no mechanism, no process or procedure and no examples of anything relating to reality today.

BUT you still miss the point.

You claim that the Earth is young.

One, just one example like the Green River Varves proves the Earth is NOT young.

You claim there was a world-wide flood.

One, just one example of a place or tree or technology or culture that was not destroyed in the flood proves the Biblical flood never happened.


My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

This message is a reply to:
 Message 475 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:55 PM Faith has not yet responded

  
Faith
Member
Posts: 26273
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 477 of 858 (819690)
09-13-2017 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 474 by Percy
09-13-2017 8:51 PM


Re: Again, the Geo Column shows the absurdity of the OE/ToE
There is no way to "rebut" the huge flat sedimentary rocks.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 474 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 8:51 PM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 480 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 9:19 PM Faith has responded
 Message 510 by edge, posted 09-14-2017 10:44 AM Faith has not yet responded

    
Percy
Member
Posts: 15909
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.9


Message 478 of 858 (819691)
09-13-2017 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Faith
09-13-2017 8:45 PM


Re: trilobites are trilobites are trilobites
Faith writes:

The trilobites you illustrate are obviously still trilobites, just different breeds or varieties.

That's just a bald declaration lacking any evidence and delivered by someone with a long history of getting things wrong. There is obviously not just one species of trilobites. In fact if I had showed you this one all by itself like this you wouldn't have any idea it was a trilobite:

So let's you quit the nonsense and be honest. You have no idea how to classify trilobites into orders, families, genera and species, and no background that leads you to think you should. The webpage A Guide to the Orders of Trilobites contains a great deal of information about trilobites. Look it over.

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 473 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 8:45 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 479 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 9:13 PM Percy has responded

    
Faith
Member
Posts: 26273
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 479 of 858 (819692)
09-13-2017 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Percy
09-13-2017 9:11 PM


Re: trilobites are trilobites are trilobites
You kidding that isn't sa recognizable trilobite?

there is OBVIOUSLY one species of trilobites with many microevolved varieties thereof. The idea that they should be classified into anything other than Species is specious.

How do you suppose it got called a trilobite anyway if it isn't recognizable as a trilobite? The taxonomic classification system is entirely a matter of subjective judgment.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 478 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 9:11 PM Percy has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 481 by Percy, posted 09-13-2017 9:23 PM Faith has not yet responded
 Message 488 by Coragyps, posted 09-13-2017 10:04 PM Faith has responded

    
Percy
Member
Posts: 15909
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 3.9


Message 480 of 858 (819693)
09-13-2017 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 477 by Faith
09-13-2017 9:08 PM


Re: Again, the Geo Column shows the absurdity of the OE/ToE
Faith writes:

There is no way to "rebut" the huge flat sedimentary rocks.

Stop being purposefully dense. It wasn't "huge flat sedimentary rocks" that was rebutted, but your point about them. In Message 402 you said:

Faith in Message 402 writes:

And there is also the absurdity of associating a time period with a huge flat sedimentary rock, let alone ALL the time periods. The very idea of a time period so clearly demarcated from others is absurd to begin with, and having them marked by sedimentary deposits is eyerolling absurdity.

This has been rebutted a number of times throughout this thread. It is time to start responding to the rebuttals and stop mindlessly repeating yourself.

And stop with the mindless one-liner posts. I also mentioned Message 423 and Message 435 that you ignored, and that you just ignored again. Sometimes it seems that you're making a concerted effort to be as annoying as possible.

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Fix message link.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 477 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 9:08 PM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 483 by Faith, posted 09-13-2017 9:26 PM Percy has responded

    
RewPrev1
...
3031
32
3334
...
58NextFF
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2015 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2017