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Faith
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Message 181 of 316 (821350)
10-06-2017 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Pressie
10-06-2017 6:40 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
I've never heard of David Jockers but I guess I'll find out about him when he's the speaker. Mercola hasn't spoken yet either. Chris Wark is going to do a keynote address on Saturday.

Most of the speakers have their credentials and expertise in the area of nutrition and aren't pretending to anything more that I've seen. Medical doctors don't get much if any training in nutrition so it figures there wouldn't be many represented here, though there is one cardiologist. The speakers have all been citing tons of research about cancer and other diseases related to nutrition, and causes of cancer like environmental toxins, acid or alkaline body environment, different diets of different cultures, emotional stress, organic versus nonorganic crops, etc.

You could register and watch a little if you like, or don't watch, it's easy to register, just email address and first name and so far all they've sent me is the titles of upcoming talks so I don't think you risk getting spammed. If enough people register at the link I get credit and maybe a free DVD or book. And in my opinion you could get some very useful information.

The Truth About Cancer Conference

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Message 182 of 316 (821351)
10-06-2017 7:25 AM
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10-06-2017 7:21 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
Nope. Not going to indirectly donate money to snake-oil salesmen by registering.
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Faith
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Message 183 of 316 (821352)
10-06-2017 7:30 AM
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10-06-2017 7:25 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
How would they make money from you registering?
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Message 184 of 316 (821353)
10-06-2017 7:38 AM
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10-06-2017 7:30 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
Ads.
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Message 185 of 316 (821354)
10-06-2017 7:38 AM
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10-06-2017 7:30 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
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Message 186 of 316 (821357)
10-06-2017 8:04 AM
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10-06-2017 7:30 AM


Re: Sign up for Alternative Cancer Healing Conference
Giving them the opportunity to lie about attendance or support.

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Message 187 of 316 (821361)
10-06-2017 8:55 AM


Conference
You are basically registering for an infomercial. This is a big sales event for these guys. Small wonder that registration is free. They are collecting a list of marks.

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Message 188 of 316 (821364)
10-06-2017 9:42 AM
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10-06-2017 8:55 AM


Re: Conference
There are long commercials between talks, all for the supplements sold by the conveners of the conference, but I've been tuning them out. They may be a good line of supplements, I don't know, but I can't afford that stuff. If I ever decide to take any I'd have to research a lot of different sources.

Yesterday's lineup of speakers was very interesting though and one thing I'm interested in is who teaches what in this area so I'll check out their websites eventually.

The guy starting out this morning is NOT interesting to me though, he's going on about some pet idea of his own about "toxicity" that is boring and subjective, to the point that I've turned off the sound. I hope the whole day isn't going to go like this.

Yesterday there was a lot of citing of research into various aspects of the causes and treatments of cancer. The one on skin cancers and skin as an organ was interesting. I was also persuaded by the guy who cited research into the effects of pesticides on animals and people as a reason to choose organic produce.

The speaker on juicing didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, but I learned that the ketogenic diet influences a lot of these nutritionists and she's one. She thinks the sugar in carrots and beets is a problem even though all the research shows their efficacy with cancer and other diseases, so she recommends diluting these juices! What? Diluting them will dilute their useful nutrients as well as the sugar, what can she be thinking? I think Chris Wark has it right in this case: the sugar in vegetables is not a problem.

A couple of them go too far into doctor-bashing I think. Doctors just do what they believe works and is in the best interest of the patient, and they get some cures too. I understand that someone who has been cured by nutrition after chemo didn't work would strongly oppose conventional medicine but there's no point in bashing doctors. The nutritionists just have to keep working on their own protocols. Even if nutrition turns out to be an important factor or even curative, at this point it's still pretty trial-and-error. This field has some growing up to do. I think it's off to a pretty good start myself but it's just a start.

I don't think the problem is that this is an infomercial, I think it's a fascinating arena of health research.

But this morning's speaker does remind me that there are some fringey ones too.


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Message 189 of 316 (821370)
10-06-2017 11:26 AM


Disease is a consequence of the Fall
Superfoods, antioxidants, amino acids, anti-gluco-something, I guess I should be taking notes but I'm just listening and hopefully absorbing some basics for now, since all this stuff is pretty new to me beyond the popular headline level. It's interesting enough for me to want to follow up and learn more about the sciences involved in nutrition.

Interestingly I'm finding out that there are a lot of Christians in this field, so prayer is a factor in many of the systems.

As is often the case there seems to be a general idea that all this is about God's Creation, and the Fall isn't taken into account. But disease is a legacy of the Fall, so the way I think about it all is that God is providing us with methods to counteract its effects through these people who are studying it, just as He's always provided medical and health methods. Things are worse now than ever with the toxic environments, pesticides, depleted soils, drugs in the animals we eat, bad eating habits promoted by available junk foods, processed foods with bad additives. All those things are symptoms of the Fall that contribute to the diseases the Fall brought about. We won't be able to cure all the effects of the Fall, but we don't have to continue to support the processes and habits that feed disease, and we can learn to emphasize antidotes to a lot of it and improve health and longevity. That's how I think about this stuff myself.


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Message 190 of 316 (821371)
10-06-2017 11:30 AM
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10-06-2017 11:26 AM


Re: Disease is a consequence of the Fall
LOL

Of course there is no Fall in the Bible or any disease caused by some imaginary fall, but it certainly is a great way to con the gullible and the Christian Cult of Ignorance out of their money.

Too funny!


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Message 191 of 316 (821379)
10-06-2017 12:22 PM
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10-06-2017 11:26 AM


Re: Disease is a consequence of the Fall
Faith writes:

Superfoods....


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"There's no such thing as a superfood." -- a pharmacist I know

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Faith
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Message 192 of 316 (821380)
10-06-2017 12:39 PM


ketogenic diet, water fasting, calorie restriction
The ketogenic diet really is big with these guys, restricting or eliminating simple carbs. Some accept meat and fats, but some restrict or eliminate them, or insist on "good" fats like avocados and nuts, while emphasizing fruits and vegetables, making the diet more vegan than ketogenic.

A talk this morning was about water fasting and calorie restriction, two areas I don't know anything about in relation to curing disease or enhancing health in general. Interesting to think about.

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Message 193 of 316 (821451)
10-07-2017 6:27 PM


Truth About Cancer Conference is over
The conference is over and I just want to say I thought it was extremely good and inspiring. I feel sorry for the people who dismiss out of hand anything about healing strategies that don't agree with the medical establishment. I changed my mind about the presenter I tuned out because he seemed fringey, I was just impatient because he said he doesn't prepare for talks and he was slow getting started and I was tired so I tuned him out.

I think all the presenters had something important to say. A bunch of smart, knowledgeable and passionate people committed to learning and teaching everything they can about improving people's health through nutrition, which is an area of study doctors are simply not trained in. They covered a huge array of factors that contribute to cancer as well as factors that heal it.

The conference isn't online but there is a You Tube series by the convener Ty Bollinger with the same title, The Truth About Cancer in which he goes around the world interviewing people about cancer causes and cures.


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Message 194 of 316 (821465)
10-08-2017 8:58 AM
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10-07-2017 6:27 PM


Re: Truth About Cancer Conference is over
So the short version; Ty Bolinger is a pathetic fraud and his "conference" consists of nothing but lies and lunacy.

The conference is over and I just want to say I thought it was extremely good and inspiring.

You have been conned. Again.

I feel sorry for the people who dismiss out of hand anything about healing strategies that don't agree with the medical establishment.

Fortunate then that no-one on this thread has made any such dismissal.

Novel solutions from outside the medical establishment are fine, but they need to submit to testing and evidence, just like any treatment.

I changed my mind about the presenter I tuned out because he seemed fringey,

He is more than fringey, he's a complete loon. Let's take a look at some of his "truth";

quote:
False Claims

He voices unsupported opinions and makes claims that can be easily refuted by a little research or even by common sense. Here are some of them:

    The only thing that doctors are taught in medical school is how to prescribe drugs.

    Professors are being paid by drug companies.

    The Flexner Report, which reformed medical education in America, was a plot by Rockefeller and Carnegie to create a medical monopoly and eliminate all competition so they could sell more drugs.

    “Anything coming from nature is excluded.”

    The medical profession is a lap dog of the pharmaceutical industry.

    Conventional medical has a monopoly on treatment: they make sure that insurance doesn’t cover CAM.

    The number one goal of health care is to make money.

    Saying they are making progress in any disease is only a propaganda war.

    Business thrives on the continuation of existing diseases.

    By 2020 more than half of cancers will be medically induced by drugs or radiation.

    Nobody dies from the cancer, they die from consequences of the treatment.

    Surgery spills cancer cells, radiation enhances them.

    “It’s against the law in California for oncologists to recommend integrative.”

Lies about chemotherapy

He says chemo is incredibly ineffective and is such a hazardous material that nurses who administer it have to take precautions. If it’s hazardous to medical personnel, why give it to people who are sick? (There is a simple answer: because it has been proven to benefit those sick people.)

Chemo started with mustard gas. Yes, that’s true, but so what? The American Cancer Society explains the history of how observations of soldiers exposed to mustard gas led to an effective treatment for lymphoma.

He ask: “Why is modern medicine so drug-intensive?” My answer: because drugs have been proven to work. And because efforts to get patients to improve their health by lifestyle modifications are so often fruitless.

He claims that 97% of people who undergo chemo are dead in 5 years. That is absolutely not true. The study that claim is based on omitted all the types of cancer that chemo is most effective for, and it lumped chemo intended to cure with chemo used as an adjuvant or for palliation.

He perpetuates the lie that 90% of oncologists wouldn’t take chemotherapy themselves. That myth was based on another old study where oncologists were asked about an experimental chemotherapy regimen for one specific type of incurable lung cancer. The majority of them thought that the evidence available at that time showed that cisplatin and other experimental chemo drugs were ineffective and toxic. Keep in mind that lung cancer is not particularly amenable to chemo. A 1991 study in the British Journal of Cancer found that the majority of oncologists would take chemotherapy; for instance, 98% of oncologists would take their own medicine if they had stage IV Hodgkin’s disease, a cancer for which chemotherapy has been proven effective.

He claims that chemotherapy stimulates cancer stem cells. He interviews Blaylock, who seems to confuse embryonic stem cells with cancer stem cells. He says chemo has no effect on stem cells, only on daughter cells. After killing daughter cells it comes back “infinitely more aggressive.” When asked to explain, he says it’s complicated but has to do with chemistry and the micro-environment of the stem cell, producing cytokines that cause more DNA damage which makes the cancer more aggressive and more likely to metastasize. He can’t explain it because it isn’t true. Sayer Ji claims that chemo “enriches” cancer stem cells; there’s no evidence for that.

They claim that chemo harms every patient; it is referred to as “a suffering instead of a treatment.” They say that doctors who won’t prescribe it stand to lose their license. The tentacles of the medical cartel reach everywhere. Chemo causes side effects, which gives doctors a reason to prescribe more drugs and multiplies their business.


Source; https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/...-untruthful-about-cancer

97% percent of people who take chemo are dead in five years! OMFG!!!!!!1! That's amazing!!!!! Or at least it would be if it weren't a disgusting and moronic lie.

Nobody dies from cancer! Well that's a relief. I guess we'll just stop all cancer treatments, I bet that will work out well. Gee, I wonder what it was that cancer sufferers died from before the advent of these killer therapies.

What a moron. What a liar. What a scumbag.

A bunch of smart, knowledgeable and passionate people...

A motley collection of liars and loons, such as snake oil salesman Joe Mercola, scam artist Mike Adams, cynical quack Stanislaw Burzinski and the whacky Tullio Simoncini, who thinks that cancer is a fungus. Crackpots every one.

...nutrition, which is an area of study doctors are simply not trained in.

Faith, why are you repeating this obvious lie? Doctors are trained in nutrition. There are even specialists in nutrition, they are called dieticians (note that the terms dietician and nutritionist are not interchangeable; anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, whereas dieticians are actual medical professionals).

Bolinger's Truth About Cancer series is nothing more that the same banal debunked rubbish that alt-med quacks always serve up. If you have cancer, see an oncologist. Don't risk your life following the advice of frauds.

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On two occasions I have been asked, – "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage

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Faith
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Message 195 of 316 (821466)
10-08-2017 9:15 AM
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10-08-2017 8:58 AM


Re: Truth About Cancer Conference is over
Remarkable post that, without a shred of evidence for anything you say, just a lot of assertions. Dietitians are medically trained? You actually said that? Doctors get training in nutrition? How much training? I find it a lot easier to believe the conference presenters than you. And there was plenty of cited research. I missed the talk about fungus, have no idea what the guy said, perhaps he's an exception to the general high quality I found in the presenters, but I don't know, perhaps you're wrong.

Also you are talking mostly about statements I dismiss myself. They may be true but I'm more interested in the nutritional cures and the studies of environmental and other causes of cancer.

The history given by G Edward Griffin was very interesting, showing how the medical profession was manipulated by the tax-exempt foundations into their current drug focus. They manipulated a lot of things in the early part of the last century.

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