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Faith
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Message 346 of 606 (828962)
02-27-2018 8:03 PM


RAZD:
You probably aren't interested but I just have to mention that there are people who claim to have cured their lymphomas through a heavy-duty diet of vegetables and fruits and cutting out most meat and dairy. I'll refrain from getting more specific, and just let you check it out or ignore it as you wish, but I felt terrible when Asgara died after her hopeful post about outliving others on hospice and I'd rather not feel terrible about you too..

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Message 347 of 606 (828965)
02-27-2018 8:29 PM
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02-27-2018 8:03 PM


Re: RAZD:
Right now we are a bit tops turvy, being in portland or, a continent away from the doctors, and yet to get a definitive diagnosis.

Thanks

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Message 348 of 606 (828978)
02-28-2018 3:25 AM
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Re: RAZD:
Just take it slow, use wisdom, and patience. You got this fight!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 349 of 606 (829631)
03-10-2018 2:12 PM


evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
I continue to watch videos about diet from time to time. Just now almost to the end of one at Netflix titled "In Defense of Food" which shows a lot of research into diet and nutrition, isn't vegan-oriented but does end up recommending eating a lot more plant foods than animal foods. There's a short segment on the diet views of Seventh Day Adventists, giving the statistic that vegetarian Adventists live four years longer than nonvegetarian Adventists, and six to nine years longer than the rest of us. A 99 year old vegetarian Adventist is shown at his dinner table full of beautiful colorful platters of veggies, really appealing food.

I'm still struggling toward a more plant based diet myself, finding it hard to give up some dairy, though I do without meat OK. I am loving getting to eat fruits though, lots of berries for instance, and potatoes and beans and nuts. I think I'll probably continue to eat some meat and dairy though, even after I get a basic diet figured out, just not as much and not as often.


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Message 350 of 606 (829647)
03-11-2018 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by Faith
03-10-2018 2:12 PM


Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
You are probably wise at reducing dairy and meats. My only advice would be to drop a few servings of rice and potatoes and add avocados. as you fine tune the mix, your bodys wisdom will take over and the balance between carbs and fat will occur naturally. Seems to me that you have no energy sometimes because you have too much sugar slowing you sown....cut back just a bit and balance that. the energy will return.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 351 of 606 (829656)
03-11-2018 2:40 PM
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03-11-2018 1:50 PM


Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Phat writes:

the energy will return.


There is no fountain of youth.

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Faith
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Message 352 of 606 (829657)
03-11-2018 2:48 PM
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03-11-2018 1:50 PM


Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Are you following a particular diet system, Phat?

I've only really learned about this whole plant-based movement in the last year or so, and even learned more in the last few months. I'd been running into vegan advice for a long time before that, though, when I looked up food questions, but didn't get an overview of the whole thing until pretty recently.

This is a huge switch from the low carb Atkins style way of thinking I'd accepted for years, huge. When I finally decided I wanted to go this direction I found it a lot harder than I expected, but I am getting there bit by bit.

I haven't eaten rice at all yet, but potatoes are a big necessary part of being able to do this thing at all. I also eat avocados. I don't think I'm any more tired now than I was before I started this new way of eating though, and if I were to guess what the main dietary problem is it's fat -- the butter and the cream I got too used to over the last few years that I'm finding so hard to give up. That's got to go and I'm working on trying some vegan style substitutes. I'm soaking some almonds right now toward making almond milk. I like it for the sweeter things like fruit smoothies but not sure it's going to work with, say, mashed potatoes. I guess I'll find out. Raw cashew "butter" is something I'll try soon.

I'm watching yet another video on Netflix, Food Choices. The same basic message about plants over meat and dairy, amazing how many films there are about this now. And how right it seems too, the more I hear about it.

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Message 353 of 606 (829662)
03-11-2018 4:18 PM
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Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Phat writes:
the energy will return.

There is no fountain of youth.

My energy may or may not return but if it does it will probably be because I get the NONplant foods out of my diet.

There are of course lots of people saying how going plant-based has enormously improved their health in many ways, and maybe the most surprising thing is how competitive athletes claim to have MORE strength and ability when they give up animal proteins and switch to plant-based eating even without added protein.

ABE: Oh, I should remember to say "whole foods plant-based" because there are many unhealthy ways to major in plants. The right way is almost like eating straight out of the garden.

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Message 354 of 606 (829700)
03-12-2018 11:46 AM
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Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Faith writes:

My energy may or may not return but if it does it will probably be because I get the NONplant foods out of my diet.


I have no doubt that your results will confirm your pre-conceived opinions.

All I'm saying is that it's natural to have less energy as you grow older.


An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 355 of 606 (829707)
03-12-2018 1:14 PM
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03-11-2018 2:40 PM


Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
perhaps I should have said the energy will return relatively speaking....I didnt expect Faith to become 21 again!

There are plenty of 70-year-olds who can run laps around me!


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 356 of 606 (829964)
03-18-2018 7:04 PM
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Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
All I'm saying is that it's natural to have less energy as you grow older.

But it may not be, at least not a LOT less energy, it may be because of our lousy diets. And I'm still having difficulty getting disciplined enough to change mine for the better. I've made some big changes, but still can't break some bad habits. I understand this frame of mind, hearing study after study that shows the benefits of going plant-based on a huge range of human ailments from the trivial to the life-threatening and yet not being able to go all the way with it. What continues to bother me a lot, though, is the people who refuse to find out about it and keep their ailments thriving.

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Message 357 of 606 (829965)
03-18-2018 7:37 PM
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Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
God made us omnivores Faith, are you saying you know better?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 358 of 606 (829966)
03-18-2018 7:49 PM
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03-18-2018 7:37 PM


Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Actually God made all creatures herbivores originally. It was after the Flood that God told Noah to begin eating meat. No explanation was given but my guess would be it was the most efficient way to get all the nutrients into our systems after the Fall started the process of deterioration of all our food sources. However, we now raise animals for meat with drugs and other methods that aren't good for us or the environment, and we now have the means to improve the vegetable sources if we are willing to do it. In any case I'm talking about studies that show the benefits of going plant-based, lots of them. And just some simple facts such as that vegetarian Seventh Day Adventists live longer than the rest of us.

I don't think I'm going to cut out meat and dairy altogether myself but I'm certainly cutting way back on them.

abe: Most cultures of the world don't eat great amounts of meat anyway you know. The west is unusual in our emphasis on meat. Most other cultures use meat more as a flavoring of a basically plant-based diet.

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Message 359 of 606 (829967)
03-19-2018 3:32 AM
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Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Faith writes:

Actually God made all creatures herbivores originally.

And then punished mankind by giving him steak and fries? That's a weird one but I'm very grateful.

abe: Most cultures of the world don't eat great amounts of meat anyway you know. The west is unusual in our emphasis on meat. Most other cultures use meat more as a flavoring of a basically plant-based diet.

Our origins are as hunter gatherers, it was farming that caused a movement to a more vegitarian diet in some cultures. As cultures become more wealthy they consume more meat. But we are basically omnivores and a balanced diet is what suits us best.

People need to obsess less about food; if you must worry about it, simply eat a bit less (but only if you're actually overweight), eat regularly, eat less processed, ready-made food and junk drunks, eat fresh fruit, veg, meat. Shop for your on food, enjoy cooking and eating. It's only about balance and freshness - everything else is pure bullshit.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 360 of 606 (829968)
03-19-2018 3:35 AM
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Re: evidence mounts in favor of plants over meat
Says someone who obviously hasn't read any of the studies on nutrition.
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