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Topic: The Tension of Faith
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 16 of 1540 (820343)
09-19-2017 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
09-19-2017 3:16 AM
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Faith writes: He told me, If I get to heaven, and find out I’m wrong, and see all my Jewish and atheist friends there I will cry tears of joy. I will shout, ‘Thank you God!’ I will be so happy.
He'll be happy until Allah slaps the burka on him. It's funny how he says, "Even if I've been wrong about Hell all this time, I'm still right about God."
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 34 of 1540 (820433)
09-20-2017 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
09-20-2017 4:13 AM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes only through Jesus Christ
Faith writes: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "
But what does it mean to "believe" in Him? Does it mean to mouth, "Lord! Lord!" or does it mean to do what He said?
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 26 by Faith, posted 09-20-2017 4:13 AM | | Faith has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 35 by Faith, posted 09-20-2017 3:30 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 36 of 1540 (820436)
09-20-2017 3:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
09-20-2017 3:30 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes only through Jesus Christ
Faith writes: It means to consciously put all your trust in Him for salvation.
Salvation from what? His Father? That's just apologetic mumbo-jumbo.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 55 of 1540 (820481)
09-21-2017 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 38 by NoNukes
09-20-2017 6:06 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
NoNukes writes: Genesis says that man was created to live eternally....
No it doesn't.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 69 of 1540 (820536)
09-22-2017 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 56 by Phat
09-21-2017 3:36 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
Phat writes: well, technically they had to eat from the tree of life first.
It doesn't say that.
Phat writes: One could say that jesus (as the vine) represents that tree. People chose knowledge (independence) and self awareness over communion, however.
In the story, it isn't even a question of choosing between the two. They could have had both.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 74 of 1540 (820543)
09-22-2017 12:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by kbertsche
09-22-2017 12:31 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
kbertsche writes: Gen 3:22 says that IF they had been allowed to eat from the tree, then they WOULD have been able to live forever. What do you think this verse means?
I think it means that IF they had been allowed to eat from the tree, then they WOULD have been able to live forever. It seems to suggest that they didn't eat from the tree.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 94 of 1540 (820579)
09-23-2017 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 89 by Phat
09-22-2017 5:03 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
Phat writes: Logically, God wouldnt particularly want creatures living forever that wanted nothing to do with Him.
Logically, eternal life and procreation don't mix. Logically, there's no point to male and female without procreation.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 97 of 1540 (820611)
09-24-2017 2:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
09-23-2017 2:33 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
Phat writes: ... why then not create more than simply two people? Why not create a whole planet full of them?
You tell me. It suggests to me that the story was never intended as an accurate portrayal of events.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 101 of 1540 (820690)
09-25-2017 11:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 98 by Phat
09-24-2017 3:57 PM
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Re: Salvation from Hell comes by Jesus Christ
Phat writes: ringo writes: Logically, there's no point to male and female without procreation.
Sure there is. Ever heard of complementary?
Male and female are complementary for the purpose of procreation, nothing else. The notion that one is "incomplete" without the other is what has caused oppression of women for millennia. Even if "pairing up" has some emotional/social value, the pairs don't need to be male and female.
Phat writes: Male and Female are a type and shadow of God and humans. We symbolically marry Him, as His Bride.
Symbolism is not reality.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 114 of 1540 (821046)
10-01-2017 4:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
09-30-2017 1:36 PM
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Faith writes: Start with the fact that we all deserve Hell, and then consider how little it is He asks of us to be saved from it.
He asks us to spend eternity with a bunch of Christians. That's a Hell that even I don't deserve.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 109 by Faith, posted 09-30-2017 1:36 PM | | Faith has not replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 116 by Phat, posted 10-01-2017 4:29 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 138 of 1540 (821092)
10-02-2017 11:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 116 by Phat
10-01-2017 4:29 PM
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Re: Eternal Teacher
Phat writes: You may need an eternity to educate them.
Isn't it too late to educate them after they're already in Heaven or Hell?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 176 of 1540 (821434)
10-07-2017 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 163 by Faith
10-07-2017 6:14 AM
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Re: Conversations with Faith on faith.
Faith writes: As Pascal said, it has enough light for those who believe, and enough obscurity to keep the insincere away (or keep them in the dark or something like that).
Or vice versa.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 177 of 1540 (821435)
10-07-2017 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
10-07-2017 6:50 AM
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Re: Conversations with Faith on faith.
Faith writes: We are not as God originally created us, nothing in this world is, the world is under the curse of the Fall, the disobedience of our original parents.
There you go, contradicting the Bible again.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 167 by Faith, posted 10-07-2017 6:50 AM | | Faith has not replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 181 of 1540 (821440)
10-07-2017 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 179 by Phat
10-07-2017 11:58 AM
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Re: Conversations with Faith on faith.
Phat writes: How is she contradicting the Bible?
We've been through this many times: There was no "Fall". Adam and Eve grew up; they accepted their responsibilities. That's a good thing; God Himself said so.
Phat writes: There are children of the light and children of the darkness.
No there are not. We ALL have light and darkness in us.
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23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Phat writes: Enmity between two seeds.
You'd better look at that one again:
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Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
That's enmity between Adam's seed and the SNAKE's seed. It "explains" why people don't like snakes - and why men and women don't always agree.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 183 of 1540 (821442)
10-07-2017 12:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 180 by Phat
10-07-2017 12:13 PM
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Re: Conversations with Faith on faith.
Phat writes: Logic tells me that I won't understand God any better by reading Confucious, Mencias, or Mark Twain.
Show us the logic.
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