Re: Opinion Piece: White Christianity is its Own Biggest ThreatN ot
Sure Faith. Honest people predictably tell the truth even when you don’t like it.
Now do you have any substantive points to make ? Any solid answers to the evidence provided by the article and it’s links ? Or are you just going to go on throwing unsubstantiated accusations as usual ?
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They are true because they are well founded in facts.
Roy Moore was only very recently dubbed a pedophile -- which he denies -- so nobody had chosen to vote for a pedophile. Typical PC lying garbage.
You're providing an excellent example of the Christian behavior that the opinion piece deplored.
The "immigrants" I call dangerous are not immigrants, nor are the illegal aliens, they are wannabe immigrants and it is WE who get to choose, not they, and to call them immigrants is typical leftist destruction of language and willful confusion of the public in the service of partisan politics.
The opinion piece wasn't about you personally. It was about Christians in general. Here's the chart from that report I linked to earlier. Notice the line for "White evangelical Protestant", highest on the whole chart for believing that the cultural impact of immigrants "Threatens traditional American customs and values":
Who knows why you guys feel this way. The Jews have been able to maintain traditional Jewish customs and values for thousands of years across many countries. I think we Americans should have little difficulty doing the same, especially since we aren't even being thrown out of our country the way the Jews were thrown out of theirs, over and over again.
"Fear" is evil spin. We are acting from basic biblical principles or from some other source of knowledge. Just slander, just character assassination, that's typical leftist m.o.
The opinion piece was written by one of your fellow Christians.
I'm not able to keep up with the PC lies, sorry, I don't have the energy or the motivation, it's all such a big fat miserable lying mess. I'm sorry to see you so enamored of all that.
Translation: Rebutting facts is exhausting and not possible anyway, so I'll just call everything a lie even though I know in my heart that I am bearing false witness.
Re: Opinion Piece: White Christianity is its Own Biggest ThreatN ot
Since the opinion piece used the usual PC lie "immigrants" to cover up the fact that he was talking about illegal aliens or Muslim refugees and not immigrants at all (those being the only "immigrants" Christians object to that I know of), I would suppose the same of that chart, since you offer no clarification otherwise.
Are you aware, or do you care, that cultural compatibility always used to be a criterion for admission to the US, at least it determined the numbers allowed in, a most sensible criterion at that?
That writer is a Liberal Christian at best, not a biblical Christian, and he sounds like any EvC leftie. Can't take him seriously about anything, sorry.
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Faith writes:
Since the opinion piece used the usual PC lie "immigrants" to cover up the fact that he was talking about illegal aliens or Muslim refugees and not immigrants at all (those being the only "immigrants" Christians object to that I know of), I would suppose the same of that chart, since you offer no clarification otherwise.
No, he was not talking about illegal aliens or Muslim refugees. I provided the exact relevant chart from the report he linked to showing that he was talking about immigrants in general, not illegal aliens or Muslim refugees. Here it is again:
This chart shows that ""White evangelical Protestant" are the highest on the whole chart for believing that the cultural impact of immigrants "Threatens traditional American customs and values". "White evangelical Protestants" would be your people.
quote:Religiously unaffiliated Americans, those who belong to non-Christian religious traditions, and non-white Christians hold the most positive views of immigrants. At least seven in ten Unitarian Universalists (81%), Hindus (73%), Muslims (72%), and Hispanic Catholics (70%) say that newcomers coming to the U.S. strengthen the country. Roughly two-thirds (65%) of Buddhists and about six in ten religiously unaffiliated Americans (61%) and Hispanic Protestants (60%) also affirm the positive contribution immigrants make to American society. White Christians express substantially more ambivalence about immigrants. Fewer than half of Mormons (45%), white Catholics (44%), and white mainline Protestants (41%) believe immigrants strengthen the country. Roughly four in ten Mormons (38%), white Catholics (41%), and white mainline Protestants (43%) say that immigrants present a threat to American culture. White evangelical Protestants stand out as the only religious community in which a majority (53%) believe that immigrants threaten traditional American customs and values. Only about one-third (32%) of white evangelical Protestants believe newcomers from other countries benefit the U.S.
Are you aware, or do you care, that cultural compatibility always used to be a criterion for admission to the US, at least it determined the numbers allowed in, a most sensible criterion at that?
Are you aware that we used to have slavery? Are you aware that in the years leading up to WWII that we, among many other western democracies, refused entry to Jews attempting to flee regions of Europe under Nazi threat? Do you really believe the examples of the past are the best to follow? Shouldn't we follow our hearts concerning the wellbeing of our fellow man, be he American or foreigner, Christian or some other religion?
That writer is a Liberal Christian at best, not a biblical Christian, and he sounds like any EvC leftie. Can't take him seriously about anything, sorry.
The writer is Charles Mathewes, professor of Religious Studies at the University of Virginia, and a senior fellow at UVA's Miller Center. He earned his B.A. in Theology from Georgetown University, and his M.A. and Ph.D. in Religion from the University of Chicago. Not a true Christian to you, I guess. All his talk about loving your fellow man is just too much for you to take.
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Are you aware that we used to have slavery?
Are YOU aware that the entire world was in favor of slavery and practiced it, and it's still practiced in other parts of the world, while ONLY Christians opposed it? I would imagine not because you are on a vendetta against Christians.
Are you aware that when Jesus said to Love one another He was talking about Christians loving each other, not loving the whole world? We are to be at peace with all where possible, and treat all justly and kindly as God does, but we are not told to LOVE everybody, believe it or not. But if you want to insist on it, what love means is desiring and seeking their salvation. God so loved the world that ...whosoever believeth on Him should have eternal life. That's not the kind of counterfeit love you have in mind which would promote violating God's law.
And I'm not at all impressed with the credentials of your writer. Georgetown is a Jesuit school where you can find all kinds of antichristian things taught, and I'm not sure what the U of Chicago would teach but wherever he got it, he's a deep dyed Liberal, not a traditional Christian.
ABE: Shouldn't we "follow our hearts" you ask. Are you aware that the Bible warns us against following our hearts because they are "deceitful above all things?" Have you thought through where many hearts would lead? The human heart is not a lover of humanity, it's selfish and combative. You don't even see the meanness and hatred in your own heart.
Re: Opinion Piece: White Christianity is its Own Biggest ThreatN ot
Wow! My cup runneth over! What a bounty of nonsense! Well, let's dig in.
Are YOU aware that the entire world was in favor of slavery and practiced it, and it's still practiced in other parts of the world, while ONLY Christians opposed it?
Even Christians in the South opposed slavery? Really?
I would imagine not because you are on a vendetta against Christians.
I'm not on a vendetta, and I have nothing against Christians. I'm simply debating a faux Christian like yourself who can't seem to make it through even a single sentence without some expression of hate.
Are you aware that when Jesus said to Love one another He was talking about Christians loving each other, not loving the whole world? We are to be at peace with all where possible, and treat all justly and kindly as God does, but we are not told to LOVE everybody, believe it or not.
Believe it or not? How about not. There was no such thing as a Christian while Jesus was alive, so how could he ever have said that Christians need only love each other?
More to the point, Jesus said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." It's a version of the golden rule. As Christian Bible Reference says, "We commonly think of neighbors as the people who live near us, but Jesus meant it to include all mankind - even our enemies!"
But if you want to insist on it, what love means is desiring and seeking their salvation.
I see. For you love means deporting them, but desire their salvation.
God so loved the world that ...whosoever believeth on Him should have eternal life. That's not the kind of counterfeit love you have in mind which would promote violating God's law.
I'd say that counterfeit love is when you deport people while blowing them a kiss.
And I'm not at all impressed with the credentials of your writer. Georgetown is a Jesuit school where you can find all kinds of antichristian things taught, and I'm not sure what the U of Chicago would teach but wherever he got it, he's a deep dyed Liberal, not a traditional Christian.
I don't know what a "traditional Christian" is, but it ain't you because you aren't any Christian at all. Charles Mathewes seems a mainstream Christian, the Jesuits are just another object of your hate, and you have no idea whether he's liberal or conservative, though what possible difference could it make religiously, except that liberals are yet another object of your hate.
ABE: Shouldn't we "follow our hearts" you ask. Are you aware that the Bible warns us against following our hearts because they are "deceitful above all things?" Have you thought through where many hearts would lead? The human heart is not a lover of humanity, it's selfish and combative. You don't even see the meanness and hatred in your own heart.
"Selfish and combative...meanness and hatred" describes you so well that I can only conclude that you've been following your own heart for quite some time.
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Percy writes:
There was no such thing as a Christian while Jesus was alive, so how could he ever have said that Christians need only love each other?
It is true that Jesus was never a Christian, he was a Jew and he preached to Jews, who thought THEY were the chosen people. But the New Testament is filled with Jesus tell both the Jews and his own followers that they are NOT the elect, not special, not saved. In the Parable of the Good Samaritan is is a NON-Jew, an unbeliever that is the standard and in Matthew 25 the Goats are all direct followers of Jesus, disciples.
In Luke 4 he repeats the lesson:
Jesus in Luke 4 writes:
24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Percy writes:
I don't know what a "traditional Christian" is, but it ain't you because you aren't any Christian at all.
But she is a Christian Percy, and a rather typical example of the Calvin influenced Evangelical Christian.
She is exactly the type follower Jesus was talking about when he is quoted in the "I never knew you" passage in Matthew 7:
Jesus in Matthew 7 writes:
I Never Knew You
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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jar writes:
But she is a Christian Percy, and a rather typical example of the Calvin influenced Evangelical Christian.
I agree that she is Christian in name, but not in spirit.
She is exactly the type follower Jesus was talking about when he is quoted in the "I never knew you" passage in Matthew 7:
Jesus in Matthew 7 writes:
I Never Knew You
21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
What this says to me is that heaven must not be the motivation for deeds. This sounds like the basis for the Protestant doctrine of sola fide, which I think is part of the evangelical view. If I've got this right then that's lucky for Faith, since if she held the opposite view then with her attitudes her deeds would do her little good.
Samantha Bee of Full Frontal does it again as she interviews pastor A. R. Bernard of the Christian Cultural Center Megachurch in Brooklyn, New York, the only member of Trump's Evangelical Advisory Board to resign.
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Doesn't it ever bother you that EvC is such a biased partisan mouthpiece? Your motto is "understanding through discussion" but anything but the leftist and antichristian party line is not given any voice here. It's not just Creationist views that are treated unfairly, the whole of "Christianity" here is all liberal Christianity. This guy Bernard is President of a branch of the World Council of Churches which is a screamingly leftist organization. with a tenuous connection to anything truly Christian. Whatever he says about Trump is going to be all formulaic Leftism
I never heard of Samantha Bee before but she's obviously just another typical anti-Trumper. You accept those views but not the views of traditional Christianity, which you denounce in the most violently excoriating terms, personal terms too since one would think from your vicious slams against me that I was the only one on the planet to have such views.
It's really interesting to get out of this suffocating environment and check out the conservative sites in the real world, where Trump is actually appreciated. In the leftist headlines that are the first thing that hits an internet surfer from every angle, they are trying to impeach him, everything he does is a horrific gaffe or error to be lambasted, but in the real world he's mostly doing good things and being appreciated. Leftist censorship rules what gets seen by the public and apparently you swallow it all along with the rest of the lefties. And somehow it's allowed you to justify amazingly foul personal attacks on me for one, which you deny with the most amazing kinds of rationalization and appalling self-righteousness.
There are many true Christian sources out there but it seems you like the false ones like Bernard, but a quick perusal of the conservative news media is enough to show the completely other world on the other side of the great political divide that is being suppressed by the Left. Drudge, Front Page Magazine, Breitbart, Infowars, Newsmax, World Net Daily, and many more.
You should take down your line about understanding which implies you care about contrary points of view. It's OK to be partisan, only it's not OK to pretend you aren't when you are.
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