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PaulK
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Message 1456 of 1540 (826284)
12-28-2017 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1452 by Faith
12-27-2017 4:46 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
quote:

Thank you for acknowledging that you have given up your belief in Bible inerrancy due to the arguments of unbelievers.

But that is not what Phat said. Had you managed to provide good honest answers to our arguments - or managed a good pretence - Phat would not have been convinced.

Had you even been more Christian things might have been different.

quote:

I'm saying that's giving in to the world and you would do a lot better to listen to Christian teachers.

If your “Christian teachers” have the answers then why did you not use them ?

quote:

I'm mostly just responding to your recent personal attacks on me

And let us note that you refuse - as usual - to admit to your own bad behaviour. How is that going to go down at the Last Judgement. Confronted with your sins are you going to rant and rave and deny them ?

quote:

Just don't come attacking me as you did from your new man-centered theology

It seems to me that Phat’s theology is less man-centered than yours. Honesty and truth aren’t men. The physical evidence is not a man. Your “Christian teachers” are men.


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Faith
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Message 1457 of 1540 (826288)
12-28-2017 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1456 by PaulK
12-28-2017 2:15 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
I added a paragraph to my answer to Phat to acknowledge that I missed his point.
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PaulK
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Message 1458 of 1540 (826289)
12-28-2017 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1457 by Faith
12-28-2017 5:18 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
And you still can’t admit that the evidence is so thoroughly against you that making up ignorant excuses won’t work. Nor will jumping to the wrong conclusion. Nor will calling people stupid or claiming that they don’t understand when they disagree with you. Nor will insisting that your theology must take precedence - when you can’t or won’t argue for that theology in any rational way.

Creationists - many of them better informed than you - have had plenty of time to deal with the order in the fossil record. They haven’t. And that’s just one of many items of evidence you’d need to answer before you can win. So how can you imagine that you can win just be refining your current arguments ?

Even if your pride won’t let you admit how awful your arguments are surely the fact that there are very serious problems that have gone unanswered for 200 years should give you pause.


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Percy
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Message 1459 of 1540 (826291)
12-28-2017 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1449 by Faith
12-27-2017 4:34 PM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
Faith writes:

You don't even know what judgmental means. I don't talk about people,...

Ah, I see, you weren't being judgmental when you said we'll be sorry on judgment day. You weren't being judgmental when you said gays should be discriminated against. You weren't being judgmental when you called Islam a murderous religion.

I hardly ever judge people moralistically,...

Well, thank God for that! I guess it's safe to talk about my molestation of little girls, my inappropriate office banter, and my jaywalking.

...which is what Horowitz described the Left doing as I mentioned a while back, I'm talking about doctrines, laws, ideas, I'm not talking about gays but about the law that legalizes gay marriage, not about the women who have abortions but the law that legalizes it. THESE THINGS BRING THE NATION DEEPER INTO GOD'S WRATH.

Yes, and we all know what happens when a nation incurs God's wrath, especially in all caps. He calls in Joshua to murder all the men, women and children.

I'm not even judging the Muslim refugees, but the political thinking that ignores their dangerous ideology in order to subject Americans to that potential danger. Their ideology is dangerous but they are victims of it, I don't hold them morally responsible for it. Judgmentalness is judging, in fact condemning, people for sin.

I think your rationalizations are tying you into a bunch of rhetorical knots.

Your moralistic denunciations of me personally are actually examples of that, not anything I've said.

Your statements of judgment and hate have become too obvious to ignore, they're so emphatic and repetitive.

I've said nothing about hating anyway, but I do hate hateful ideas, doctrines, laws and ideologies that violate God's law or are dangerous for human beings.

So you've said nothing about hating anything, but you do hate this, that and the other thing. More Queen of Hearts stuff.

There's a logical failure in your thinking.

Couldn't prove it by what you've just said in your message.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 1460 of 1540 (826293)
12-28-2017 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1451 by Faith
12-27-2017 4:39 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
No need for me to reply, I think PaulK already said it all in Message 1455.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 1461 of 1540 (826295)
12-28-2017 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1453 by Faith
12-27-2017 4:58 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
1453 writes:

The years I've put in ought to spare me the idiotic accusation of making up my theology. That's all I was saying.

Yes, I know what you were saying, and I explained why it was wrong. Others have put even more years into studying their theologies, and if the number of years spent in study is the yardstick by which the truth of a theology is measured, then your theology loses.

You never answered the question of how you know you're not the one being manipulated by Satan.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 1462 of 1540 (826296)
12-28-2017 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1454 by Faith
12-27-2017 5:54 PM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
Faith writes:

I guess a person befriending a gay neighbor who recently lost his partner of many decades doesn't count s love if we don't support gay marriage? Having the neighbot over to Thanksgiving dinner isn't love either, right? Taking him shopping because his eyes are going bad, does that count? Naa, only leftist politics counts as love in this weird upside-down modern world.

And yet if your gay neighbor tried to get married you'd turn on him in a second. You love a book, not people.

abe: As for abortion, there are churches all over this country that run crisis pregnancy centers to help girls and women with unwanted pregnancies. Some of them also run living quarters with room and board for the duration of the pregnancy. They offer counseling, help getting jobs or going back to school, help with adoption if that's the woman's choice, or with being able to care for the child herself. But that's not love I guess. Only killing the baby is love.

Allowing women to have control over their own bodies and make their own choices in life is love.

Then there are the Muslim refugees. I already described how many Christians are going to them in their refugee camps to give all kinds of needed help. But that's not love either, right?

They're in refugee camps because countries in Europe and the US deny them immigration. Their plight has parallels to that of the Jews in the years leading up to WWII.

Meanwhile, the topic here has not been about people but about law, doctrine, and so on. I do hate evil laws and doctrines, passionately.

You're the Mikey of Life.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 1463 of 1540 (826301)
12-28-2017 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1462 by Percy
12-28-2017 10:22 AM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
Why would I turn on him? I wouldn't support a wedding but I wouldn't end a friendship if he pursued it.

Defining murder as having control over your body is insane.

Helping the refugees where they are is the best we can do and it is loving them. The situation is NOT the same as with the Jews. We wouldn't refuse the Muslims if their ideology weren't murderous.

No idea what "mikey" refers to.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 1464 of 1540 (826303)
12-28-2017 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1461 by Percy
12-28-2017 10:13 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
I have answered that evil accusation. I know God, I know the Bible, I understand Christian theology and I know how Satan works.
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Faith
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Message 1465 of 1540 (826304)
12-28-2017 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1459 by Percy
12-28-2017 9:55 AM


Re: Does True Christian Faith Mean Loving All?
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Ah, I see, you weren't being judgmental when you said we'll be sorry on judgment day. You weren't being judgmental when you said gays should be discriminated against. You weren't being judgmental when you called Islam a murderous religion.

Well, as usual you DON'T see anything at all.

I'm talking about the dictim to "judge not lest ye be judged" which refers to accusations of PERSONAL sins. I didn't mention anyone's personal sins in reference to judgment day, just the general hatred of God you all express. I said nothing about discriminating against gays, that's what the gay marriage law loves to imply but it's all a hoked up conspiracy. I don't condemn them for their personal sins either, we're all sinners. And just as I said I don't judge Muslims personally either, their personal sins are none of my business. But Islam is an ideology and I certainly DO judge muderous ideologies.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 1466 of 1540 (826306)
12-28-2017 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1461 by Percy
12-28-2017 10:13 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
Yes, I know what you were saying, and I explained why it was wrong. Others have put even more years into studying their theologies, and if the number of years spent in study is the yardstick by which the truth of a theology is measured, then your theology loses.

Obviously you DON'T know what I was saying. I said it proves I didn't make it up, nothing about whether it is true.

But of course it is in any case.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 1467 of 1540 (826307)
12-28-2017 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1447 by Percy
12-27-2017 3:58 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
The real end days are billions of years off.

Interesting. Yesterday a headline said Stephen Hawking believes we have 100 years left on this planet.


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Faith
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Message 1468 of 1540 (826308)
12-28-2017 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1458 by PaulK
12-28-2017 6:21 AM


Re: Tension from Faith
I've argued every point made against me, there's nothing to admit. It's just a matter of time before the evidence of the Flood gets perfected and comes together. The gross facts themselves really should be enough to prove it anyway. I'm not talking about "winning." That's never going to happen in hidebound EvC. It will have to be acknowledged by more honest people a bit at a time until you can't ignore it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 1469 of 1540 (826309)
12-28-2017 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1467 by Faith
12-28-2017 1:45 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
faith writes:

Interesting. Yesterday a headline said Stephen Hawking believes we have 100 years left on this planet.

600. And last year he said between 1,000 and 10,000 and it's about overpopulation, climate change and statistical probability of asteroid strikes etc etc.

He's as wrong as all other soothsayers.


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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From: Nevada, USA
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Message 1470 of 1540 (826310)
12-28-2017 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1469 by Tangle
12-28-2017 1:59 PM


Re: Tension from Faith
Of course he's wrong.

And so is Percy.

But it did say ONE hundred:

https://futurism.com/...-years-left-on-earth-before-doomsday


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